[POLITICS] Police Officer says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 'should be shot'

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Saelune said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
*Sigh*

I mean, the dude is free to think whatever he wants, and he technically didn't make a threat...but how fucking stupid can you be?

It's a perfect example to put into Obsidian's thread about people owning themselves on social media.
The police saying someone should be shot is 100% a threat.

If someone said a cop should be shot, the police would take it as a threat, I guarantee it.
It's too cowardly to actually be a threat. He didn't say he was going to shoot her, he just says that someone somewhere should do it *wink wink*.

It's basically just internet trolling. He doesn't intend to do anything, but he would celebrate if some random wackjob actually did it. I can't count the number of times people have said that certain politicians should be shot, Obama and Trump included, it's always just angry hyperbole from stupid people who should know better.
 

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The cop was fired over this. Another cop who liked the post was also fired.

It is still disturbing that a cop would think that posting something that would be OK.
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
Saelune said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
*Sigh*

I mean, the dude is free to think whatever he wants, and he technically didn't make a threat...but how fucking stupid can you be?

It's a perfect example to put into Obsidian's thread about people owning themselves on social media.
The police saying someone should be shot is 100% a threat.

If someone said a cop should be shot, the police would take it as a threat, I guarantee it.
It's too cowardly to actually be a threat. He didn't say he was going to shoot her, he just says that someone somewhere should do it *wink wink*.

It's basically just internet trolling. He doesn't intend to do anything, but he would celebrate if some random wackjob actually did it. I can't count the number of times people have said that certain politicians should be shot, Obama and Trump included, it's always just angry hyperbole from stupid people who should know better.
-Person says bad thing should happen
-People say they wont do it
-Person does it
-'Who could have seen this coming!?'
 

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Saelune said:
Shadowstar38 said:
Saelune said:
Ok, I doubt you too. Why is she a moron? We live in a world where Trump is president and people defend that, but he is just, a HUGE FUCKING IDIOT!

Great, Antifa aint doing shit. Antifa is a right-wing dog-whistle. How many people have they killed? Now how many people have the police killed? How many have right-wing terrorists killed? Name me ONE place shot up by Antifa, cause I got multiple cases of right-wing mass shooters.


A cop just said AOC should be shot, but lets shit on AOC, right?
I mean, I wasn't planning to turn this into a thread of me bashing AOC besides the one off comment, but if you want my full run down on that one.

I can bring up the 20 min press Conference in which its stated that trumps alleged racist remarks are called "a distraction for the news media" while simultaneously holding a press Conference for a rebuttal(because that's logically consistent).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF2A4KndU-g&t=

Here's one regarding the "concentration camps" in which an officer refutes a lie she told about immigrants being made to "drink out of toilets"

EDIT: As was pointed out by another user, It would appear that AOC later clarifies that the sink unit of the particular facility she visited was broken and detainies were told to drink from the toilet instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZNxesruXVM

She also thinks illegal immegrants shouldn't be targeted by ICE at all. Like, just give them free reign apparently. You can argue all day about their treatment, that's a seperate issue. Enforce the laws in some form or fashion.

https://www.facebook.com/mrctv/videos/aoc-ice-shouldnt-target-illegal-aliens/573376283185797/

She also doesn't understand that crossing a boarder illegally is, well, illegal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFoi_leYDw

And I could go all day from there. Basic point is, I'd like for the Democrats to succeed in 2020. And part of their agenda should be to tell this woman to put a sock in it so she doesn't ruin it for the rest of them. Same goes for a number of other representatives in the party.

As far as Antifa goes, your criteria for allowing people to complain about something is that it has to reach an arbitrary number on a violence scale otherwise it's not worth talking about? That doesn't sound feasible.
I want people to not be hypocrites. People who condemn Antifa are usually hypocrites, the kind who say they are 'pro-life' but want to murder doctors who perform abortions, the kind of people who say 'love it or leave it' while also saying that America is not great anymore. The kind of people who endorse a vulgar uncivil jerk while crying about people being mean to them.

Pelosi and Biden are the ones who need to shut up.
As much as I agree with AOC's positions, she does need to tone things down. A lot of the seats Democrats won were in contested districts that went for trump in 2016. They might be scared off by a left wing candidate and go republican again. What you believe in almost doesn't matter, what matters is winning. If Democrats stand for all the things that the squad wants but it costs them the election in 2020 then nothing they want matters and republicans get to keep fucking things up and probably appoint more judges to the supreme court. The supreme court is already going to have another conservative majority for a very long time, but it can still swing certain directions, if they get to appoint more judges then it will be heavily conservative and one branch of the government will be hard line conservative for a very long time.

I like pretty much all the stuff AOC is pushing for, but its entirely likely that most of the people in the right states don't. So her more aggressive actions could sink plans to unseat republicans. While its fun to bash Pelosi, shes monstrously effective and there is a reason conservatives hate her.
 

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The police are entiteled to their opinions so long as they don't make calls for violence, which this very much is. Any police officer who calls for th killing of any civilian in this manner should be considered for dismissal, as they are proving themselves unfit to serve and protect by doing so. It would be no less inappropriate for a democratic-leaning police officer to call for Trump to be shot
 

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Worgen said:
Saelune said:
Shadowstar38 said:
Saelune said:
Ok, I doubt you too. Why is she a moron? We live in a world where Trump is president and people defend that, but he is just, a HUGE FUCKING IDIOT!

Great, Antifa aint doing shit. Antifa is a right-wing dog-whistle. How many people have they killed? Now how many people have the police killed? How many have right-wing terrorists killed? Name me ONE place shot up by Antifa, cause I got multiple cases of right-wing mass shooters.


A cop just said AOC should be shot, but lets shit on AOC, right?
I mean, I wasn't planning to turn this into a thread of me bashing AOC besides the one off comment, but if you want my full run down on that one.

I can bring up the 20 min press Conference in which its stated that trumps alleged racist remarks are called "a distraction for the news media" while simultaneously holding a press Conference for a rebuttal(because that's logically consistent).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF2A4KndU-g&t=

Here's one regarding the "concentration camps" in which an officer refutes a lie she told about immigrants being made to "drink out of toilets"

EDIT: As was pointed out by another user, It would appear that AOC later clarifies that the sink unit of the particular facility she visited was broken and detainies were told to drink from the toilet instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZNxesruXVM

She also thinks illegal immegrants shouldn't be targeted by ICE at all. Like, just give them free reign apparently. You can argue all day about their treatment, that's a seperate issue. Enforce the laws in some form or fashion.

https://www.facebook.com/mrctv/videos/aoc-ice-shouldnt-target-illegal-aliens/573376283185797/

She also doesn't understand that crossing a boarder illegally is, well, illegal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFoi_leYDw

And I could go all day from there. Basic point is, I'd like for the Democrats to succeed in 2020. And part of their agenda should be to tell this woman to put a sock in it so she doesn't ruin it for the rest of them. Same goes for a number of other representatives in the party.

As far as Antifa goes, your criteria for allowing people to complain about something is that it has to reach an arbitrary number on a violence scale otherwise it's not worth talking about? That doesn't sound feasible.
I want people to not be hypocrites. People who condemn Antifa are usually hypocrites, the kind who say they are 'pro-life' but want to murder doctors who perform abortions, the kind of people who say 'love it or leave it' while also saying that America is not great anymore. The kind of people who endorse a vulgar uncivil jerk while crying about people being mean to them.

Pelosi and Biden are the ones who need to shut up.
As much as I agree with AOC's positions, she does need to tone things down. A lot of the seats Democrats won were in contested districts that went for trump in 2016. They might be scared off by a left wing candidate and go republican again. What you believe in almost doesn't matter, what matters is winning. If Democrats stand for all the things that the squad wants but it costs them the election in 2020 then nothing they want matters and republicans get to keep fucking things up and probably appoint more judges to the supreme court. The supreme court is already going to have another conservative majority for a very long time, but it can still swing certain directions, if they get to appoint more judges then it will be heavily conservative and one branch of the government will be hard line conservative for a very long time.

I like pretty much all the stuff AOC is pushing for, but its entirely likely that most of the people in the right states don't. So her more aggressive actions could sink plans to unseat republicans. While its fun to bash Pelosi, shes monstrously effective and there is a reason conservatives hate her.
I know enough about you Worgen, to know you know are no right-wing shill. So I know you mean well, but you are very very wrong here, and you are echoing this myth that speaking up and speaking out will only scare away supporters. That's not true. We need to stand up to evil, stand up to corruption, and we need to NOT BACK DOWN! AOC needs to say these things, so more people will be encouraged to speak up! Not speaking up is the problem. Yes, speaking up, in my personal experience, gets those who want you silent to pull out their hammers to hammer you down, but that is evidence that THEY ARE WRONG.

Pelosi is garbage. She needs to shut up. I don't expect her to support socialism, or to outright praise AOC, but to actively condemn the only people who are giving a fuck, THAT is what needs to be kept quiet. Pelosi refuses to stop Trump, she refuses to do what is IN HER POWER TO DO, and even I cant sit back and be ok with that.

It is not fun to bash Pelosi. Until she outright dismissed AOC, and refused to take down Trump, I was more than willing to support and praise her, but unlike Republicans, I have a limit to how much wrongness I can condone from 'my side'.

Pelosi needs to just let AOC do her thing.
 

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Saelune said:
Worgen said:
Saelune said:
Shadowstar38 said:
Saelune said:
Ok, I doubt you too. Why is she a moron? We live in a world where Trump is president and people defend that, but he is just, a HUGE FUCKING IDIOT!

Great, Antifa aint doing shit. Antifa is a right-wing dog-whistle. How many people have they killed? Now how many people have the police killed? How many have right-wing terrorists killed? Name me ONE place shot up by Antifa, cause I got multiple cases of right-wing mass shooters.


A cop just said AOC should be shot, but lets shit on AOC, right?
I mean, I wasn't planning to turn this into a thread of me bashing AOC besides the one off comment, but if you want my full run down on that one.

I can bring up the 20 min press Conference in which its stated that trumps alleged racist remarks are called "a distraction for the news media" while simultaneously holding a press Conference for a rebuttal(because that's logically consistent).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF2A4KndU-g&t=

Here's one regarding the "concentration camps" in which an officer refutes a lie she told about immigrants being made to "drink out of toilets"

EDIT: As was pointed out by another user, It would appear that AOC later clarifies that the sink unit of the particular facility she visited was broken and detainies were told to drink from the toilet instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZNxesruXVM

She also thinks illegal immegrants shouldn't be targeted by ICE at all. Like, just give them free reign apparently. You can argue all day about their treatment, that's a seperate issue. Enforce the laws in some form or fashion.

https://www.facebook.com/mrctv/videos/aoc-ice-shouldnt-target-illegal-aliens/573376283185797/

She also doesn't understand that crossing a boarder illegally is, well, illegal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFoi_leYDw

And I could go all day from there. Basic point is, I'd like for the Democrats to succeed in 2020. And part of their agenda should be to tell this woman to put a sock in it so she doesn't ruin it for the rest of them. Same goes for a number of other representatives in the party.

As far as Antifa goes, your criteria for allowing people to complain about something is that it has to reach an arbitrary number on a violence scale otherwise it's not worth talking about? That doesn't sound feasible.
I want people to not be hypocrites. People who condemn Antifa are usually hypocrites, the kind who say they are 'pro-life' but want to murder doctors who perform abortions, the kind of people who say 'love it or leave it' while also saying that America is not great anymore. The kind of people who endorse a vulgar uncivil jerk while crying about people being mean to them.

Pelosi and Biden are the ones who need to shut up.
As much as I agree with AOC's positions, she does need to tone things down. A lot of the seats Democrats won were in contested districts that went for trump in 2016. They might be scared off by a left wing candidate and go republican again. What you believe in almost doesn't matter, what matters is winning. If Democrats stand for all the things that the squad wants but it costs them the election in 2020 then nothing they want matters and republicans get to keep fucking things up and probably appoint more judges to the supreme court. The supreme court is already going to have another conservative majority for a very long time, but it can still swing certain directions, if they get to appoint more judges then it will be heavily conservative and one branch of the government will be hard line conservative for a very long time.

I like pretty much all the stuff AOC is pushing for, but its entirely likely that most of the people in the right states don't. So her more aggressive actions could sink plans to unseat republicans. While its fun to bash Pelosi, shes monstrously effective and there is a reason conservatives hate her.
I know enough about you Worgen, to know you know are no right-wing shill. So I know you mean well, but you are very very wrong here, and you are echoing this myth that speaking up and speaking out will only scare away supporters. That's not true. We need to stand up to evil, stand up to corruption, and we need to NOT BACK DOWN! AOC needs to say these things, so more people will be encouraged to speak up! Not speaking up is the problem. Yes, speaking up, in my personal experience, gets those who want you silent to pull out their hammers to hammer you down, but that is evidence that THEY ARE WRONG.

Pelosi is garbage. She needs to shut up. I don't expect her to support socialism, or to outright praise AOC, but to actively condemn the only people who are giving a fuck, THAT is what needs to be kept quiet. Pelosi refuses to stop Trump, she refuses to do what is IN HER POWER TO DO, and even I cant sit back and be ok with that.

It is not fun to bash Pelosi. Until she outright dismissed AOC, and refused to take down Trump, I was more than willing to support and praise her, but unlike Republicans, I have a limit to how much wrongness I can condone from 'my side'.

Pelosi needs to just let AOC do her thing.
I'm unconvinced. I agree with everything your saying and I want to be able to stand against the corruption and not take corporate money and all that good stuff. But, in todays stupid world, I'm not convinced that leads to victory. And victory is all that matters. Republicans know this and will go hard on it, hard as they can, they will lie, cheat, steal, and perform pretty much any underhanded action they can to win. The only way to stop them from doing that is to win. I like the squad but they come from extremely secure solidly democratic districts. Most of the new dems don't.

There isn't much she can do against trump. She could start impeachment proceedings, which I would love to see, but there is a 0% chance of him being removed from office. The democrats only have congress, not the house. It's a tossup if that would help or hurt, I mean it would really expose his crimes for everyone to see and have to look at, but... well. His approval rating went up when he was saying that racist shit against the squad. This is still a stupid country that can hand wave racism as long as its not explicitly racist and trump is actually very good at not saying anything explicitly racist. At least in such a way that his supporters can hand wave as him talking about demographics and not race. So its entirely possible that impeachment would just empower him and bolster his base. Because he wouldn't be removed and he would sure as hell say that was vindication against all misdeeds.

I do agree, that Pelosi was a bit harsh with the squad but at the same time, Pelosi knows the game. The game is bullshit, the game is loaded, the game is corrupt, but all that matters is winning the game. Because everything gets worse when the republicans win the game.
 

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Worgen said:
Saelune said:
Worgen said:
Saelune said:
Shadowstar38 said:
Saelune said:
Ok, I doubt you too. Why is she a moron? We live in a world where Trump is president and people defend that, but he is just, a HUGE FUCKING IDIOT!

Great, Antifa aint doing shit. Antifa is a right-wing dog-whistle. How many people have they killed? Now how many people have the police killed? How many have right-wing terrorists killed? Name me ONE place shot up by Antifa, cause I got multiple cases of right-wing mass shooters.


A cop just said AOC should be shot, but lets shit on AOC, right?
I mean, I wasn't planning to turn this into a thread of me bashing AOC besides the one off comment, but if you want my full run down on that one.

I can bring up the 20 min press Conference in which its stated that trumps alleged racist remarks are called "a distraction for the news media" while simultaneously holding a press Conference for a rebuttal(because that's logically consistent).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF2A4KndU-g&t=

Here's one regarding the "concentration camps" in which an officer refutes a lie she told about immigrants being made to "drink out of toilets"

EDIT: As was pointed out by another user, It would appear that AOC later clarifies that the sink unit of the particular facility she visited was broken and detainies were told to drink from the toilet instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZNxesruXVM

She also thinks illegal immegrants shouldn't be targeted by ICE at all. Like, just give them free reign apparently. You can argue all day about their treatment, that's a seperate issue. Enforce the laws in some form or fashion.

https://www.facebook.com/mrctv/videos/aoc-ice-shouldnt-target-illegal-aliens/573376283185797/

She also doesn't understand that crossing a boarder illegally is, well, illegal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFoi_leYDw

And I could go all day from there. Basic point is, I'd like for the Democrats to succeed in 2020. And part of their agenda should be to tell this woman to put a sock in it so she doesn't ruin it for the rest of them. Same goes for a number of other representatives in the party.

As far as Antifa goes, your criteria for allowing people to complain about something is that it has to reach an arbitrary number on a violence scale otherwise it's not worth talking about? That doesn't sound feasible.
I want people to not be hypocrites. People who condemn Antifa are usually hypocrites, the kind who say they are 'pro-life' but want to murder doctors who perform abortions, the kind of people who say 'love it or leave it' while also saying that America is not great anymore. The kind of people who endorse a vulgar uncivil jerk while crying about people being mean to them.

Pelosi and Biden are the ones who need to shut up.
As much as I agree with AOC's positions, she does need to tone things down. A lot of the seats Democrats won were in contested districts that went for trump in 2016. They might be scared off by a left wing candidate and go republican again. What you believe in almost doesn't matter, what matters is winning. If Democrats stand for all the things that the squad wants but it costs them the election in 2020 then nothing they want matters and republicans get to keep fucking things up and probably appoint more judges to the supreme court. The supreme court is already going to have another conservative majority for a very long time, but it can still swing certain directions, if they get to appoint more judges then it will be heavily conservative and one branch of the government will be hard line conservative for a very long time.

I like pretty much all the stuff AOC is pushing for, but its entirely likely that most of the people in the right states don't. So her more aggressive actions could sink plans to unseat republicans. While its fun to bash Pelosi, shes monstrously effective and there is a reason conservatives hate her.
I know enough about you Worgen, to know you know are no right-wing shill. So I know you mean well, but you are very very wrong here, and you are echoing this myth that speaking up and speaking out will only scare away supporters. That's not true. We need to stand up to evil, stand up to corruption, and we need to NOT BACK DOWN! AOC needs to say these things, so more people will be encouraged to speak up! Not speaking up is the problem. Yes, speaking up, in my personal experience, gets those who want you silent to pull out their hammers to hammer you down, but that is evidence that THEY ARE WRONG.

Pelosi is garbage. She needs to shut up. I don't expect her to support socialism, or to outright praise AOC, but to actively condemn the only people who are giving a fuck, THAT is what needs to be kept quiet. Pelosi refuses to stop Trump, she refuses to do what is IN HER POWER TO DO, and even I cant sit back and be ok with that.

It is not fun to bash Pelosi. Until she outright dismissed AOC, and refused to take down Trump, I was more than willing to support and praise her, but unlike Republicans, I have a limit to how much wrongness I can condone from 'my side'.

Pelosi needs to just let AOC do her thing.
I'm unconvinced. I agree with everything your saying and I want to be able to stand against the corruption and not take corporate money and all that good stuff. But, in todays stupid world, I'm not convinced that leads to victory. And victory is all that matters. Republicans know this and will go hard on it, hard as they can, they will lie, cheat, steal, and perform pretty much any underhanded action they can to win. The only way to stop them from doing that is to win.

There isn't much she can do against trump. She could start impeachment proceedings, which I would love to see, but there is a 0% chance of him being removed from office. The democrats only have congress, not the house. It's a tossup if that would help or hurt, I mean it would really expose his crimes for everyone to see and have to look at, but... well. His approval rating went up when he was saying that racist shit against the squad. This is still a stupid country that can hand wave racism as long as its not explicitly racist and trump is actually very good at not saying anything explicitly racist. At least in such a way that his supporters can hand wave as him talking about demographics and not race. So its entirely possible that impeachment would just empower him and bolster his base. Because he wouldn't be removed and he would sure as hell say that was vindication against all misdeeds.

I do agree, that Pelosi was a bit harsh with the squad but at the same time, Pelosi knows the game. The game is bullshit, the game is loaded, the game is corrupt, but all that matters is winning the game. Because everything gets worse when the republicans win the game.
Ofcourse you agree with me. Most people here do. But many don't want to speak up about that, or atleast don't want to until I am already pages deep in calling out BS. Cause I give them the opening to do so, while they get to appear as more subdued while I take the heat. That is basically my point. Pelosi should not go against AOC, but should let her and the others be willing to say what needs to be said, then all she needs to do is take her moments when even she needs to back AOC.

People should not have to be scared of being honest.
 
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As much as I agree with AOC's positions, she does need to tone things down. A lot of the seats Democrats won were in contested districts that went for trump in 2016. They might be scared off by a left wing candidate and go republican again. What you believe in almost doesn't matter, what matters is winning. If Democrats stand for all the things that the squad wants but it costs them the election in 2020 then nothing they want matters and republicans get to keep fucking things up and probably appoint more judges to the supreme court. The supreme court is already going to have another conservative majority for a very long time, but it can still swing certain directions, if they get to appoint more judges then it will be heavily conservative and one branch of the government will be hard line conservative for a very long time.

I like pretty much all the stuff AOC is pushing for, but its entirely likely that most of the people in the right states don't. So her more aggressive actions could sink plans to unseat republicans. While its fun to bash Pelosi, shes monstrously effective and there is a reason conservatives hate her.
No disrespect to you here. Like Saelune, I think highly of you and this is just a little quibbling point where we just view the world differently.

But this is the type of thing that black people have to juggle for years.

If Blacks don't speak up, no one helps them. If they speak up too much, they are whiny and ungrateful. If they are speaking in a calm tone, it must not be that much of a problem or else they would see upset.

Before, Democrats were weak and too nervous. People lost respect for Corporate Democrats (I know I have, and that's why I've became progressive) because they showed no backbone. Democratic Weakness [https://www.vox.com/2015/10/19/9565119/democrats-in-deep-trouble] was a phrase we gotten use to during the Obama years. Democrats need to speak up, stand straight, suffer a few blows while sticking to their guns.

And AOC does this. Bernie Does this. Then people say "Hey... hey guys... calm down a little".

Quiet Strength isn't selling any more. It hurts me to type that, because it's literally all I got. I use intelligence, I use facts. I'm usually countered with "No you're wrong" without any backing it up, and some case flat out lies and re-imaging of scenarios and that being used instead of what actually happened. That's enough for people nowadays.

If that's how the game is to be played, then let's play it. Let's bring our facts, and let's make it impossible to ignore.
 

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It wasn't a genuine threat or credible incitement to violence, and despite it being probably an ill-advised thing for a serving police officer to write, I think even public servants should have the freedom to express themselves on their personal social media accounts. I'll also point out the seeming double standard where liberals will defend a comedian posing with an effigy of the severed head of Donald Trump as social commentary or art, but some guy muttering about a politician on his friends-only Facebook page is outrageous hate speech.
 
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Batou667 said:
It wasn't a genuine threat or credible incitement to violence, and despite it being probably an ill-advised thing for a serving police officer to write, I think even public servants should have the freedom to express themselves on their personal social media accounts. I'll also point out the seeming double standard where liberals will defend a comedian posing with an effigy of the severed head of Donald Trump as social commentary or art, but some guy muttering about a politician on his friends-only Facebook page is outrageous hate speech.
I think the Trump stunt was universally condemned. Let me check...

yeah, it was [https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/31/kathy-griffin-faces-secret-service-inquiry-fall-out-from-cnn-trumps-anger-for-her-gory-photo-of-his-head/]. She was fired, a lot of her bookings were cancelled. Actually it was pretty bad for Griffin.

But the difference between Griffin and this officer? Griffin isn't out there telling jokes, and doling out punitive restrictions of freedom... or worse.. if they don't agree with her humor. The abuse of power by police, however, stacks up day by day.

I can turn off a comedian or boycott them. It doesn't matter if I disagree with police, I gotta listen and do what he or she says. That's a threat to the community if that police officer is questionable.
 

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Nielas said:
The cop was fired over this. Another cop who liked the post was also fired.

It is still disturbing that a cop would think that posting something that would be OK.
Good. I don't want people who are that stupid and socially inept to be cops.
 

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I think the Trump stunt was universally condemned. Let me check...

But the difference between Griffin and this officer? Griffin isn't out there telling jokes, and doling out punitive restrictions of freedom... or worse.. if they don't agree with her humor. The abuse of power by police, however, stacks up day by day.

I can turn off a comedian or boycott them. It doesn't matter if I disagree with police, I gotta listen and do what he or she says. That's a threat to the community if that police officer is questionable.
Kathy Griffin was widely condemned, but not universally. I recall plenty of people sympathising with her.

I would say that a police officer's personal opinions on a politician shouldn't matter as long as he can separate his home and work life and be professional while in uniform. I would find it far more sinister to think that the state would consider public servants fit for duty only if they pledge allegiance to one political ideology.
 
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Dirty Hipsters said:
It's too cowardly to actually be a threat. He didn't say he was going to shoot her, he just says that someone somewhere should do it *wink wink*.

It's basically just internet trolling. He doesn't intend to do anything, but he would celebrate if some random wackjob actually did it. I can't count the number of times people have said that certain politicians should be shot, Obama and Trump included, it's always just angry hyperbole from stupid people who should know better.
Even if we agree with the above notion, that it's "just trolling", the man in question is still a police officer. That's the crux; because of the function he has, he isn't allowed to be as careless as a civilian. '

Batou667 said:
I think even public servants should have the freedom to express themselves on their personal social media accounts.
I disagree. I think the saying that a "good cop is never off duty" exists for a reason.
I don't know what's the legal framing in the US, but around here cops are expected to act in a way that doesn't cast a shade on the service, regardless if they wear their uniform or not. (Even if, in many cases, they don't...)
 

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I'll also point out the seeming double standard where liberals will defend a comedian posing with an effigy of the severed head of Donald Trump as social commentary or art
Which rings hollow when Conservatives were okay with people holding up signs calling for Obama's lynching or showing up at his appearences with AR-15's.
 

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ObsidianJones said:
That's the thing, I totally agree with you both on moral grounds but we are dealing with a profoundly stupid country and all of the squad are in solidly democratic areas. Them shitting on more moderate democrats doesn't really help. Because are the more moderate democrats moderate because they are more moderate or because that's what they were elected to be. Republicans tend to be willing to form ranks come hell or high water, dems are much more willing to in-fight about issues. Which personally I see as a strength of the democratic party, but it doesn't look good to see that aired on the news and the republicans will grab a hold of anything they see like that and use it.

You could convince me otherwise by finding stats about why democrats won the house in 2018. Was it because people believed in their ideas, or was it because people were having second thoughts about trump. If they won because people believed in their ideas then AOC and the squad can push harder for their changes and they will be accepted, but if it was mainly because people were losing faith in trump then... well, the democrats need to take things slower.

Also, keep in mind we lost the supreme court under trump, not as hard as we could have but if he manages to get another term then there will be at least one more left/moderate judge retiring/dying and he will get another pick, which will do enormous damage. Like, moderates and the left will be pretty fucked. We didn't get legalized gay marriage because of direct legislation, we got it because the IRS allowed married same sex couples to file taxes together and the court ruled that it had to be recognized for tax purposes in all states, but it was a 5-4 ruling.

I totally understand and agree with you guys but right now winning is all that maters. The rest we can figure out but we need to win.
 

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ObsidianJones said:
I think the Trump stunt was universally condemned. Let me check...

But the difference between Griffin and this officer? Griffin isn't out there telling jokes, and doling out punitive restrictions of freedom... or worse.. if they don't agree with her humor. The abuse of power by police, however, stacks up day by day.

I can turn off a comedian or boycott them. It doesn't matter if I disagree with police, I gotta listen and do what he or she says. That's a threat to the community if that police officer is questionable.
Kathy Griffin was widely condemned, but not universally. I recall plenty of people sympathising with her.

I would say that a police officer's personal opinions on a politician shouldn't matter as long as he can separate his home and work life and be professional while in uniform. I would find it far more sinister to think that the state would consider public servants fit for duty only if they pledge allegiance to one political ideology.
Trump, while running for President of the United States on national television, stated that the Megyn Kelly had "Blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever", Then a random comedian makes a fake head showing what that would actually look like on Trump in reference to Trump's own words and somehow what Kathy did was worse? Kathy was not running for president, she was just a comedian. Kathy is not in a position to inflict harm upon anyone, nor was that her intention. Police officers and presidents =\= random comedian. Kathy making a visual of Trump's own words is not in any way making a threat, it was showing how bad's Trump's own words actually were. Trump was let off for verbally saying what Kathy showed the meaning of those words to be. How can people say what trump did was less than what Kathy did, when she was only representing Trumps own words? Trump is commander of the strongest military in the world, police officers have the power to shoot people, a comedian making a prop to show the meaning of a guys own words is somehow comparable why?

https://time.com/4803225/kathy-griffin-trump-photo-head/

EDIT: In addition, it isn't about supporting one political belief over another, it is about requirements to do the job. If you have beliefs that prevent you from viewing and treating people equally, you cannot protect and serve them equally. That means you are unfit for the job, as viewing and treating people equally should be a requirement to protect and serve that community equally. Saying people you disagree with should be shot is not a political belief, it is an extremists view and threat, and according to the law, in this case it could be a felony as the person they disagreed with happened to be a government official, which means saying that they should be shot is additionally making a threat against the US government.
 

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Saelune said:
ObsidianJones said:
That's the thing, I totally agree with you both on moral grounds but we are dealing with a profoundly stupid country and all of the squad are in solidly democratic areas. Them shitting on more moderate democrats doesn't really help. Because are the more moderate democrats moderate because they are more moderate or because that's what they were elected to be. Republicans tend to be willing to form ranks come hell or high water, dems are much more willing to in-fight about issues. Which personally I see as a strength of the democratic party, but it doesn't look good to see that aired on the news and the republicans will grab a hold of anything they see like that and use it.

You could convince me otherwise by finding stats about why democrats won the house in 2018. Was it because people believed in their ideas, or was it because people were having second thoughts about trump. If they won because people believed in their ideas then AOC and the squad can push harder for their changes and they will be accepted, but if it was mainly because people were losing faith in trump then... well, the democrats need to take things slower.

Also, keep in mind we lost the supreme court under trump, not as hard as we could have but if he manages to get another term then there will be at least one more left/moderate judge retiring/dying and he will get another pick, which will do enormous damage. Like, moderates and the left will be pretty fucked. We didn't get legalized gay marriage because of direct legislation, we got it because the IRS allowed married same sex couples to file taxes together and the court ruled that it had to be recognized for tax purposes in all states, but it was a 5-4 ruling.

I totally understand and agree with you guys but right now winning is all that maters. The rest we can figure out but we need to win.
First of all, who started this 'The Squad' thing? Sounds to me like some right-wing moniker thrown on them to make them sound scary. I keep suddenly seeing it.

Second, the 'moderate Democrats' are the ones shitting on them! Pelosi shat on them during her interview, 60 minutes I believe. That was the line for me.

Now more than ever we need to not be afraid to say what needs to be said. We need to not care what stupid people think, we need to start doing what is right, even when those stupid people tell us we're wrong. Its why I don't put up with stupid people's bullshit like I used to, and now I cut through so much more bullshit faster. Playing a game with cheaters and idiots only makes you lose.
 

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Saelune said:
Worgen said:
Saelune said:
ObsidianJones said:
That's the thing, I totally agree with you both on moral grounds but we are dealing with a profoundly stupid country and all of the squad are in solidly democratic areas. Them shitting on more moderate democrats doesn't really help. Because are the more moderate democrats moderate because they are more moderate or because that's what they were elected to be. Republicans tend to be willing to form ranks come hell or high water, dems are much more willing to in-fight about issues. Which personally I see as a strength of the democratic party, but it doesn't look good to see that aired on the news and the republicans will grab a hold of anything they see like that and use it.

You could convince me otherwise by finding stats about why democrats won the house in 2018. Was it because people believed in their ideas, or was it because people were having second thoughts about trump. If they won because people believed in their ideas then AOC and the squad can push harder for their changes and they will be accepted, but if it was mainly because people were losing faith in trump then... well, the democrats need to take things slower.

Also, keep in mind we lost the supreme court under trump, not as hard as we could have but if he manages to get another term then there will be at least one more left/moderate judge retiring/dying and he will get another pick, which will do enormous damage. Like, moderates and the left will be pretty fucked. We didn't get legalized gay marriage because of direct legislation, we got it because the IRS allowed married same sex couples to file taxes together and the court ruled that it had to be recognized for tax purposes in all states, but it was a 5-4 ruling.

I totally understand and agree with you guys but right now winning is all that maters. The rest we can figure out but we need to win.
First of all, who started this 'The Squad' thing? Sounds to me like some right-wing moniker thrown on them to make them sound scary. I keep suddenly seeing it.

Second, the 'moderate Democrats' are the ones shitting on them! Pelosi shat on them during her interview, 60 minutes I believe. That was the line for me.

Now more than ever we need to not be afraid to say what needs to be said. We need to not care what stupid people think, we need to start doing what is right, even when those stupid people tell us we're wrong. Its why I don't put up with stupid people's bullshit like I used to, and now I cut through so much more bullshit faster. Playing a game with cheaters and idiots only makes you lose.
They came up with " squad" themselves:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/23/squad-congress-how-aoc-omar-tlaib-and-pressley-got-name/1804557001/

However, shortly after they started being mocked as if they were cheerleaders to take them less seriously, as that is what cheerleaders are called.