https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48395905
How big a deal is this and how much this will affect Brexit?
How big a deal is this and how much this will affect Brexit?
[Politics] Theresa May resigns as British PM.
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The only people who want to replace May are those too stupid to realise Brexit will destroy their career, making them too stupid to be allowed the job. Think May is bad, wait till her replacement creates a string of constitutional crises as they fight Parliament over no deal Brexit.
Cut off the tentacle and another will take its place. We're still sharing deep water with the monster determined to drag us down.
I have tons of respect for May trying to find an agreement that would satisfy both the European Commission and the British parliament. Knowing full well the EC is basically just the uncompromising Paris/Berlin axis(that also draws the ire of other EU countries) and with May's own parliament having it's head so far up it's ass that they think it's still ''Great Brittannia, Brittannia rules the waves'' of the 19th century. Instead of a modestly sized economy with zero competitive advantage over the E.U. or emerging superpowers. May's endeavour has always been an exercise in futility. I hope the U.K. can make some fine trade agreements under the WTO. (as they think is the prefered option)
But anyways those huge waiting lines at the border are long past due. Time to party like it's pre-1973!
But anyways those huge waiting lines at the border are long past due. Time to party like it's pre-1973!
Incredibly unlikely as other parties have been rising in the polls and another election would likely see the Tories lose more seats. And anyone who isn't labour or conservative win some.Nielas said:
Eh, didn't May get the job mostly because everyone else thought (quite reasonably) that if they were PM they'd get blamed for how Brexit went (or didn't go)?
British politics is kinda hilarious at this time and this one prolly will add do it. I expect Corbin to win in the end of course big but I also am thoroughly enjoying how the UKIP people from youtube are getting everyone mad enough to throw shakes at them and whatnot. All in all it's thoroughly entertaining.
But yeah from what I have gathered, May's issue was that she had an inability to be firm and kept trying to appease the EU too much. She should have just taken a no deal option and gone ahead with it since that's the democratic thing to do. Trying to appease the EU which is freaking out cause it feels it's about to collapse is impossible.
But yeah from what I have gathered, May's issue was that she had an inability to be firm and kept trying to appease the EU too much. She should have just taken a no deal option and gone ahead with it since that's the democratic thing to do. Trying to appease the EU which is freaking out cause it feels it's about to collapse is impossible.
How is the EU going to collapse if one member leaves and destroys its economy doing so?Dreiko said:
For that matter, how was May trying to appease the EU?
As CheetoDust points out, a Tory PM calling an election is a stupid idea. However, only a deluded nutcase thinks being PM now won't destroy their career. This leads to three types of PM.Nielas said:
1. Deluded nutcases who thinks the electorate backs no deal.
2. Idealist who wants to cancel Brexit and their career with it.
3. Opportunist who can personally exploit no deal and will laugh all the way from No. 10 to the Cayman Islands.
The likelihood of each type existing and winning are.
1. High. Plenty of these in the Tory party and the membership love them.
2. Very low. Selflessness is rare in politicians, rarer in the Tory party, and despised by the membership.
3. Low. These exist but MPs would likely eliminate them as bad PR.
Lastly, the chance such a type would call an election.
1. Good. They're nuts.
2. None. They're not going to get a big majority so they won't bother.
3. None. Majorities get in the way of setting the place on fire.
So, the chance of an election is fairly good.
Corbyn isn't going to win, too many people hate him. I think Labour without Corbyn would win, but I don't think that's going to happen either.Dreiko said:
May's problem wasn't an inability to be firm (too rigid, really), it was the difficulty of negotiating an impossible deal - one she didn't promise - from a weak bargaining position that no one on home soil wanted to admit was weak. The UK public, inexplicably convinced that we held all the cards, couldn't fathom a negotiation going badly for us, which doubled the outrage when it did. The fact that everyone seems think they're some sort of armchair expert hostage negotiator rather than the spittle-flecked loon they actually are didn't help.
Leaving on no deal wouldn't have been democratic or otherwise because it wasn't part of the vote. OTOH, those campaigning for leave did say there would be a deal (easiest deal in history, apparently), and a lot of people who voted for leave expected one.
EU will make it as difficult as it could for the UK so that in the case it does eventually leave it will signal other member states of the EU that leaving the EU will end up in disaster.
UK went with 'leave' believing they will bargain for a deal to keep trading and diplomatic ties but effectively leave the EU (free-movement of migrants and "over-regulation" being sited as the bad things EU imposes on the UK, that's what I remember from the leave campaign).
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but at the very least the British public ought to remain in a united front, otherwise disintegration of the Union is not a far-fetched reality.
UK went with 'leave' believing they will bargain for a deal to keep trading and diplomatic ties but effectively leave the EU (free-movement of migrants and "over-regulation" being sited as the bad things EU imposes on the UK, that's what I remember from the leave campaign).
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but at the very least the British public ought to remain in a united front, otherwise disintegration of the Union is not a far-fetched reality.
I am not sure where you have been getting your news from, but you appear to need a new source. The most democratic thing to do would be to hold another referendum since the people were indeed lied to. May's issue is not trying to appease the EU, it is that a No deal Brexit will mean:Dreiko said:
1) The collapse of the UK's financial sector when they are no longer in the single market. The only way to prevent that from happening is to allow freedom of movement. There are no other options.
2) Crippling UK's Farmers, as their contracts will all immediately become void and they will be cut out of existing mutual EU contracts they currently have leaving their products to be tied up in customs likely to spoil while they wait to have it sorted out.
3) Crippling Medical and scientific research as most all are dependent on EU grants and freedom of movement, Researchers will be forced to leave the UK to keep their grants and continue working on their projects.
4) Their country will most likely dissolve. Scotland has made it clear they want to remain in the EU and will force a referendum to vote to leave the UK if there is a no deal Brexit. They have an unresolved border issue with Northern Ireland and endangers The Good Friday Agreement and trade deals with US will be at risk if they have a hard Irish Border.
5) UK economy will suffer greatly and they will have massive cuts to all public services, including NHS as UK businesses move to EU nations to maintain their EU contracts.
6) UK loses negotiating power and status and will be more in line with that of Brazil than a leading European Nation.
Just to name a few...
The EU will be fine, in fact it actually benefits EU nations for the UK to leave because the other member nations will be the ones receiving the contracts the UK will be losing. For a country to be the " financial hub for the EU" as London was, they have to be in the EU, so all of that business will move to another EU nation. The UK needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK. It would be more like a state the size of Michigan leaving the US, it would hurt them more than it would hurt the US, and they would no longer have the influence and status in the world they had as being part of the US. The EU, being the UK's largest trading partner will lose contracts with the EU and many of the current UK businesses have already stated they will move elsewhere in order to maintain those contracts crippling the UK economy further. UK's only hope to stop this from happening are 1) another referendum and make sure the people know what they are voting on this time or 2) Make a good deal with the EU to stay in the single market.
But like I said, you need a new source of news, as what you " understood" seems to be quite far off from reality here.
Sure, the UK should have slapped itself with an economic shock worse than the financial crisis a decade ago, because that would be the "democratic" thing to do after the referendum was principally won on the basis of securing a good trade deal with EU that would make it better off.Dreiko said:
[eyeroll]
Farage keeps going on about immediately cutting ties and the EU will come begging to the UK for business. All this trying to do a deal before leaving is hurting the UK...bluegate said:
Which leads me to believe Farage has not much understanding of politics despite being an MP for two decades.
The Liberal Democrats and SNP are the only sane people here.
The conservatives are predictable wrong, and nationalistic. These are the people who in the past would torture people, and are consistently on the wrong side of history.
And the people in labor who Corbyn is trying to suck up to who voted against the EU that's funding their infrastructure, are undermining their own welfare, and are likely uneducated, and obtuse, and maybe racist.
And as much as I hate to admit it, the Neoliberal Establishment is right, international cooperation is a good thing here.
The conservatives are predictable wrong, and nationalistic. These are the people who in the past would torture people, and are consistently on the wrong side of history.
And the people in labor who Corbyn is trying to suck up to who voted against the EU that's funding their infrastructure, are undermining their own welfare, and are likely uneducated, and obtuse, and maybe racist.
And as much as I hate to admit it, the Neoliberal Establishment is right, international cooperation is a good thing here.
I don't know, but this seems a great response: [tweet t="https://twitter.com/iknowplacesmp6/status/1131977960444108802"]
Try to please everyone and you end up pleasing no one.
I honestly don't see Brexit happening, it's literaly the people against parliament at this point as we will see with the EU election results on Sunday. People I know who have even voted remain have voted for them because they know the democratic vote isn't going to be delivered.
The worse thing is when we know for certain that Brexit is dead, labour consistencies (who mostly voted leave) will move to the Brexit party at the general election because they certainly aint going to conservative and the conservative votes probably wont take much persuading.
The conservatives need a Brexiteer in power if they want to fight off the Brexit party. Which could end up with a coalition or split the vote enough to let in a socialist Corbyn goverment.
Things are going be very interesting to say the least.
I honestly don't see Brexit happening, it's literaly the people against parliament at this point as we will see with the EU election results on Sunday. People I know who have even voted remain have voted for them because they know the democratic vote isn't going to be delivered.
The worse thing is when we know for certain that Brexit is dead, labour consistencies (who mostly voted leave) will move to the Brexit party at the general election because they certainly aint going to conservative and the conservative votes probably wont take much persuading.
The conservatives need a Brexiteer in power if they want to fight off the Brexit party. Which could end up with a coalition or split the vote enough to let in a socialist Corbyn goverment.
Things are going be very interesting to say the least.