[Politics] UK Suspends Parliament

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Controvery over poppies? Is this a UK thing?
Yeah, Corbyn's is never big enough if he's still able to move under its weight. Everyone else is allowed to wear normal-sized ones, apart from football players, who are simultaneously obliged to wear one and banned from doing so.
Oh lets hope he bows at precisely the right angle since the media was so keen on yelling at him about that last year
 

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Palindromemordnilap said:
Oh lets hope he bows at precisely the right angle since the media was so keen on yelling at him about that last year
"His nose is touching the floor! The lazy commie prick is having a kip!"
 

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From what I have heard, yes.
It's a pretty minor one, all in all. Some people wear white poppies to protest about war glorification.

That said, war remembrance is utilised for some unsavoury political points scoring, and I'm not sure it's robustly rejected by the veteran groups such as the British Legion.
 

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Wait till Johnson announces his Cabinet. If he kicks out most of Rees-Mogg, Javid, Patel, Truss, Leadsom, Raab, or Barclay, he's backstabbing the hard Right. If he kicks out Gove, he's just plain backstabbing. I don't reckon he will.

Then wait till mid 2020 when he must decide whether to extend the transition to end 2022, rather than 2020. He won't, despite being told he can't get a comprehensive trade deal in that time. Later, it'll become more and more obvious he's merely pretending. GBP will drop further and further. 1st Jan 2021, transition ends and Dover port turns into a permanent traffic jam.
 

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Tayh said:
So, what's new in BoJo Kingdom?
The UK doesn't produce enough good-quality, British rope for us all to patriotically hang ourselves, so we're exploring other ways out.
 

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So... looks like George Galloway was right about Labour's position on Brexit? Or is there a better explanation?
 

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Seanchaidh said:
So... looks like George Galloway was right about Labour's position on Brexit? Or is there a better explanation?
Yeah, we really really hate the poor here. And ourselves. But especially the poor.
 

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Seanchaidh said:
So... looks like George Galloway was right about Labour's position on Brexit? Or is there a better explanation?
There was really no electorally strong position for Labour to take on Brexit, because Labour rests on several large demographics with diametrically-opposed views on that issue. If they supported leaving the EU at this election, the urban voters, students, and youth would abandon them. If they supported remaining in the EU, the leave-voting working class in Northern England and North Wales would abandon them (as happened to some degree anyway). If they supported a referendum, they would keep some measure of both groups, and lose some measure of both groups.

What could have ameliorated the damage Brexit did to Labour would have been adopting a position much earlier than they did, and providing a better defence of that position. I saw no politicians from Labour or the Lib Dems-- the "revoke and remain" party at this election-- making the point that the first election was decided through proven illegal means.

Besides, 56% of the vote went to candidates supporting a second referendum or revoking altogether. And yet, it just doesn't matter. Under PR, this would be a hung parliament, with the Tories the largest party but a parliamentary majority for a second referendum.

The voting system decides the outcome. Which, one suspects, is the intent.
 

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Baffle2 said:
Tayh said:
So, what's new in BoJo Kingdom?
The UK doesn't produce enough good-quality, British rope for us all to patriotically hang ourselves, so we're exploring other ways out.
No no no, not quick enough. I'm currently looking for somewhere really high up to throw myself off of. Somewhere I can easily be cleaned up though, wouldn't want to make a fuss.
 

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The question on my mind is what happens to Corbyn now.
He will quit as Labour leader, but not until a new leader has been found. No idea what he'll do after that.
 

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Silvanus said:
Seanchaidh said:
So... looks like George Galloway was right about Labour's position on Brexit? Or is there a better explanation?
There was really no electorally strong position for Labour to take on Brexit, because Labour rests on several large demographics with diametrically-opposed views on that issue. If they supported leaving the EU at this election, the urban voters, students, and youth would abandon them. If they supported remaining in the EU, the leave-voting working class in Northern England and North Wales would abandon them (as happened to some degree anyway). If they supported a referendum, they would keep some measure of both groups, and lose some measure of both groups.

What could have ameliorated the damage Brexit did to Labour would have been adopting a position much earlier than they did, and providing a better defence of that position. I saw no politicians from Labour or the Lib Dems-- the "revoke and remain" party at this election-- making the point that the first election was decided through proven illegal means.

Besides, 56% of the vote went to candidates supporting a second referendum or revoking altogether. And yet, it just doesn't matter. Under PR, this would be a hung parliament, with the Tories the largest party but a parliamentary majority for a second referendum.

The voting system decides the outcome. Which, one suspects, is the intent.
If they had supported leaving the EU, urban voters, students, youth might abandon them as you say, and go to the lib dems. I wonder how much that would happen, though; how much does the the anti-austerity manifesto weigh compared to brexit? At any rate, they wouldn't be voting for Tories or Brexit party. But much of the Labour who did vote Tory this time would have stayed with Labour. So the vote share for Labour+Lib Dem vs. Tory would be higher.

Don't know how that would translate into seats, though. Could even be worse.
 

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Corbyn was right the first time they did one of these snap elections. He should have stuck to Lexit, but now since he wants it both ways he lost leave labor, and remain conservatives didn't bulge.

Now the UK will lose their universal healthcare in the trade deal, and if it comes to either that or staying in the EU I would prefer people in the Uk not die/go into bankruptcy due to American health insurance companies who other than the oil companies are some of the scummiest, rent-seeking, horrible people on the face of the planet.
 

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Catfood220 said:
Baffle2 said:
Tayh said:
So, what's new in BoJo Kingdom?
The UK doesn't produce enough good-quality, British rope for us all to patriotically hang ourselves, so we're exploring other ways out.
No no no, not quick enough. I'm currently looking for somewhere really high up to throw myself off of. Somewhere I can easily be cleaned up though, wouldn't want to make a fuss.
What about the Cliffs of Dover? As a plus, your body would feed the fishies.
 

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Catfood220 said:
He will quit as Labour leader, but not until a new leader has been found. No idea what he'll do after that.
I imagine he'll stay on as an MP as he's got a 26K majority. He's already said he wouldn't lead at the next election, but we have to be realistic that he'd be 75 then anyway, and that's the age Tories want us to retire at.
 

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No no no, not quick enough. I'm currently looking for somewhere really high up to throw myself off of. Somewhere I can easily be cleaned up though, wouldn't want to make a fuss.
I'm thinking of an exploding car going over a cliff, but with a rope around my neck attached to a tree. And there's a shark in the passenger seat.
 

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Gergar12 said:
Corbyn was right the first time they did one of these snap elections. He should have stuck to Lexit, but now since he wants it both ways he lost leave labor, and remain conservatives didn't bulge.

Now the UK will lose their universal healthcare in the trade deal, and if it comes to either that or staying in the EU I would prefer people in the Uk not die/go into bankruptcy due to American health insurance companies who other than the oil companies are some of the scummiest, rent-seeking, horrible people on the face of the planet.
Yeah this is kinda what has me conflicted. I support most of the Labor policies but they were going too far in the remain camp which is anti-democratic and while Corbyn was right at first he was brought into their camp too much and such wishy washy approach is no good.

So basically, for just the UK, I think this is a bad result, but for Europe and the world in its totality, weakening the EU is a good result. I just don't want people to confuse Corbyn losing with Bernie being somehow similar, cause Corbyn had actual valid concerns of antisemitism and was way more communist than socialist than Bernie has ever been, but I know for a fact people will try to paint them as birds of a feather.


All in all, conflicted as I said but more positive than negative since I don't actually live in the UK.
 

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cause Corbyn had actual valid concerns of antisemitism
Did he, though? Did he actually?
Of course he did, even if you brand being against antisemitism as islamophobia that doesn't make you less antisemetic. People won't be fooled or scared into actually buying that crap, even if they can't vocalize it publicly for fear of being smeared as racist.