Poll: A theoretical moral dilemma
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i would actually produce more fuel, as some of the modern day rocket propellants are made from liquid hydrogen... problem solved
Leave behind the soldier ship. Its their job and mission to serve and protect the people in their nation. if they are true soldiers, there wouldnt even be a question, and tehy would volunteer themselves to stay.
Besides, most soldiers are prepared for short survival missions, not long standing colonizations. Im sure 90K soldiers is more than enough to encounter what we find, if what we find can even be overcome by the conventional weapons the world develops by that point.
Besides, most soldiers are prepared for short survival missions, not long standing colonizations. Im sure 90K soldiers is more than enough to encounter what we find, if what we find can even be overcome by the conventional weapons the world develops by that point.
The planning was that bad huh? I always thought that since humans are trying so hard to make ourselves extinct, we aren't worth saving at all.
This. Either these people are massive space-fascists, in which case I wouldn't be in charge in the first place, or humanity has evolved beyond the need for war.Popadoo said:
Though to be honest, I would have probably joined a terrorist group the moment they started deciding humanity's fate based on genetic tests.
Not surprised that most people want to sacrifice civilian ships. Most people don't think any farther than it might be dangerous out there. Soldiers are useful for getting established (assuming there will even be a conflict), but they'll be useless for anything but basic labor when you need so start building an actual society. Think of the problems some war veterans have adjusting to normal society, when they return after a campaign. Now multiply that by 100. On a different planet. Ouch.
I find it ironic stating that we wont need a military force, and then saying you'd be a terrorist creating a scenario that needs a military force... Granted, it would need it for protection on launch day, and not as much in space. As far as the concept that we may evolve beyond war back home, unless we have some massive tech advances in cloaking or force fields for protection, I would remind people that in this scenario we are going into the unknown. We may not wage war, that does not mean others won't.poleboy said:
I maintain that making a black and white decision of either military or civilian is short sighted, there was a ranking system that got these people on board, let the bottom 100k out.
That isn't really a Dilemma in my opinion.
The soldiers would gladly sacrifice their lives to protect the civilians. They signed up for it. So here is their chance. They don't even need to bleed for it, no torture no pain no raping by a dinosaur while shooting its tail, no post-traumatic-stress syndrome. Just one big explosion. I think all of us are better off this way.
If our Earth 2.0 can't be a peaceful Utopian society, humanity doesn't deserve that chance at all.
The soldiers would gladly sacrifice their lives to protect the civilians. They signed up for it. So here is their chance. They don't even need to bleed for it, no torture no pain no raping by a dinosaur while shooting its tail, no post-traumatic-stress syndrome. Just one big explosion. I think all of us are better off this way.
If our Earth 2.0 can't be a peaceful Utopian society, humanity doesn't deserve that chance at all.
Why do we need a military in outer space?
The way you set up the question, it sounds like mankind has been unified in the effort to avoid the apocalypse. I see no need for a military at all in this situation.
In fact, I believe a military would only serve to create conflict in such a situation.
The way you set up the question, it sounds like mankind has been unified in the effort to avoid the apocalypse. I see no need for a military at all in this situation.
In fact, I believe a military would only serve to create conflict in such a situation.
First I'd find out the cause of the lack of fuel, and slap some people around if needed.
Moving the data to another ship would be my first choice. This would be explored and done if at all possible.
If that isn't possible, then I'd order someone to grab me the gender stats for the military ship. Assuming the female/male ratio is at least acceptable, that's the ship going.
If the gender ratio isn't acceptable, then some of those Soldiers are going to have to stay home so we can keep a few more females alive.
Moving the data to another ship would be my first choice. This would be explored and done if at all possible.
If that isn't possible, then I'd order someone to grab me the gender stats for the military ship. Assuming the female/male ratio is at least acceptable, that's the ship going.
If the gender ratio isn't acceptable, then some of those Soldiers are going to have to stay home so we can keep a few more females alive.
I'd abandon data ship. Introducing Earth's specimens to new environment (assuming we find one) would probably end in disaster just like it was done plenty of times before. And i strongly believe that we can make it without Panda bears.
And no, i don't think so that preservance of history and heritage is much more important than future.
And no, i don't think so that preservance of history and heritage is much more important than future.
As the Über Prime Minister-General, I would assumt that the military is in my employ. And Based on current world trends, the people hate thier elected officials. I say "Show them the same respect they would show you. Throw 'em to the wolves!". Kill all civvies!
I'd personally leave one of the 2 military ships behind. If there's 20 civilian ships, anticipating that on those are a whole host of specialized professions, such as masons, engineers, cooks, counselors, scientists and so on, it's more important to have them.
Besides, there's still one military ship, and I'd assume that if we're moving to a new planet somewhere it's going to be all sunshine and rainbows because we'd realize how bleak our past of military oppression was, therefore a small armed force to teach future generations military tactic etc will be sufficient.
Besides, there's still one military ship, and I'd assume that if we're moving to a new planet somewhere it's going to be all sunshine and rainbows because we'd realize how bleak our past of military oppression was, therefore a small armed force to teach future generations military tactic etc will be sufficient.