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Arsen

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How do you feel in regards to Christianity being rebellious despite the rules of society?

Interpret it how you may and post your answer.

Edit - Do you feel we have to obey the laws of the land if they go against our faith, regardless of what the majority or society says?
 

Berethond

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I'm a real gray area kind of guy.

Also, no second chances. That's the kind of man I am.
 

Frankydee

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I can't really answer the poll clearly here. I guess I'm a special case because of my specific religion but according to our own set of rules we aren't to go against the "laws of the land" (by that I mean state and federal, national etc). So in a sense it's against our religion to do anything contrary to the laws of your Country.
 

RebelRising

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Not that I am a Christian, but your question confuses me. The rules of society change depending on the time and place, while, if you refer mostly to Scripture, your possible responses, depending on how literalist you are, are less flexible. Give a more detailed, specific example of what you mean by 'society".
 

Good morning blues

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I'm looking over this and I'm having trouble figuring out what you're asking. Do christians have the right to do what? Act against a society's laws? Attempt to modify a society's laws to be more in keeping with Christian values? What?
 

Arsen

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RebelRising said:
Not that I am a Christian, but your question confuses me. The rules of society change depending on the time and place, while, if you refer mostly to Scripture, your possible responses, depending on how literalist you are, are less flexible. Give a more detailed, specific example of what you mean by 'society".
Do you believe on the basis of true right and wrong we have the right to go Batman on others and register true justice outside of typical law because of what is right and wrong?

That's how I see it at least. Make up your own interpretation of it.
 

quiet_samurai

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Noting is more spiritually unfufilling and intellectually contradicting then the bible. And nothing proves the absolute double standards of the bible more then the bible itself.
 

Zyxzy

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Yes, for sometimes the law is unjust, and steps must be taken to ensure the rule of righeousness.

quiet_samurai said:
Noting is more spiritually unfufilling and intellectually contradicting then the bible. And nothing proves the absolute double standards of the bible more then the bible itself.
I was not aware we had a master philosopher among us.
 

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Eh, I guess I wouldn't obey a law that went directly against my faith. If I was a doctor and it was law that you had to preform abortions, I would just not obey that one.
 

Godavari

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Well I have to point out that I'm an atheist and probably not the opinion you were looking for.

I think that, no matter what your religious beliefs, you are bound by the laws of the land. I'll pull a fake religion out of my ass here - Yellowism. Let's say that the doctrine of Yellowism states that "all yellowists must perform a human blood sacrifice upon the day of their birth, every five years." That, of course, goes against the law and should be punishable, regardless of if it was motivated by religion.

All religions disagree to some extent on different moral values. That is why a secular set of laws is laid down - to create a governing morality that doesn't favor one religion over another, but all religions equally (none). Objectivity is key to living with people who are different than you.
 

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Arsen said:
RebelRising said:
Not that I am a Christian, but your question confuses me. The rules of society change depending on the time and place, while, if you refer mostly to Scripture, your possible responses, depending on how literalist you are, are less flexible. Give a more detailed, specific example of what you mean by 'society".
Do you believe on the basis of true right and wrong we have the right to go Batman on others and register true justice outside of typical law because of what is right and wrong?

That's how I see it at least. Make up your own interpretation of it.
As an athesist, hell no. I am beholden to the social contract and nothing else, and if someone wants to use a scripture that I don't follow to control my behavior, I consider that a fundamental violation of my rights.
 

RebelRising

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Arsen said:
RebelRising said:
Not that I am a Christian, but your question confuses me. The rules of society change depending on the time and place, while, if you refer mostly to Scripture, your possible responses, depending on how literalist you are, are less flexible. Give a more detailed, specific example of what you mean by 'society".
Do you believe on the basis of true right and wrong we have the right to go Batman on others and register true justice outside of typical law because of what is right and wrong?

That's how I see it at least. Make up your own interpretation of it.
I believe that the killing of others for heinous/personal actions may be justified (i.e., killing your daughter's rapist, shooting down an escaping, but armed robber), but ultimately, I believe that such justice is best served by the law, in a court, without a jury.
 

BonsaiK

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Your question is expressed incredibly poorly, I'm having great trouble understand what you're asking. Please edit and simplify your original post. Less poll options would also help, you don't need 8 poll options for a closed question that demands only a yes/no answer. Either rephrase the question or remove the irrelevant options, preferably both.
 

Arsen

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thiosk said:
Dinosaur bones were placed in rocks by the devil. To test our faith.
Or eh... you know:

15 Behold now the behemoth that I have made with you; he eats grass like cattle.
16 Behold now his strength is in his loins and his power is in the navel of his belly.
17 His tail hardens like a cedar; the sinews of his tendons are knit together.
18 His limbs are as strong as copper, his bones as a load of iron.
19 His is the first of God's ways; [only] his Maker can draw His sword [against him].
20 For the mountains bear food for him, and all the beasts of the field play there.
21 Does he lie under the shadows, in the cover of the reeds and the swamp?
22 Do the shadows cover him as his shadow? Do the willows of the brook surround him?
23 Behold, he plunders the river, and [he] does not harden; he trusts that he will draw the Jordan into his mouth.
24 With His eyes He will take him; with snares He will puncture his nostrils.

Or maybe the Bible just didn't mention them. Does it really have to?
Or maybe science is wrong and there really was a guy named Siegfried who DID fight a dragon.
 

Simalacrum

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Rather ironic that, in a poll specifically for Christians, the majority of votes are of Athiests :p

OT, I think Christianity really needs to make certain adjustments to go with the recent tides - for example, I certainly found Pope Benedict's douncement of the use of condoms in Africa [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7947460.stm] quite disgusting and backwards-thinking. However, it is true that not all aspects of Christianity are like this - I have a deep respect for the views of Quaker ideals, for example.
 

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quiet_samurai said:
Noting is more spiritually unfufilling and intellectually contradicting then the bible. And nothing proves the absolute double standards of the bible more then the bible itself.
And this has what to do with the poll?

Religion and the State should never mix. Ever.