Poll: Are gamers today too self entitiled?

[The_Waspman]

ONLY THREE POLL OPTIONS!?!

ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS LIKE THE MASS EFFECT THREE ENDING ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!11!!1

I demand MORE poll options!!!!! We are ENTITLED to more poll options!!!

Ok, on all seriousness, while I think it is a sweeping generalisation to lump all gamers in together, yes, I do. I do think that 'gamers' are becoming too entitled. And I blame the internet. There are now so many avenues for 'fans' to 'feedback' to developers, and a lot of it is to whine about insignificant shit that doesn't matter in the grand sceme of things.

On the other hand, publishers force release schedules on developers and things often get rushed out.

There is the whole inbalance between all the bad stuff and the good stuff, with the bad stuff getting more press coverage.

So while this is probably the last place that anyone of significance is going to be taking notice, I would like to say:

Thank you Bioware. Thank you for providing me with an engaging, enjoyable interactive experience that I felt totally engaged in all the way through.

Right, enough about Mass Effect 3 already...

 

[Dragoon]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

I just started a thread about this, but there is no doubt in my mind that we are far too entitled.

Glad someone agrees, great minds think alike eh?

Sorry, but he's a troll.

Suddenly, players stop taking shit from developers who are accountable to nobody on a bigger than ever scale. MUST BE A PROBLEM WITH THEM. NOT THE GUYS WHO BUTCHERED THE ENDING.

I have nothing against people voicing opinions, what I do have a problem with is people demanding that something be changed because it isn't the way they wanted. Even if the edning did suck that's how the writers wanted to end it so people have no right to demand a change in the way they have.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

What is it about certain words that cause what I am from now on going to refer to as "the parrot effect"? Is it the meaning, or the phonology that they find irresistible? Or perhaps its a domino effect that comes from hearing the word to much, like a song getting stuck in your head; eventually you start singing it as well. Nevertheless my answer is no, I don't think gamers feel a false sense of entitlement. I think you have just been caught up in the parrot effect.

 

[Abedeus]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

I just started a thread about this, but there is no doubt in my mind that we are far too entitled.

Glad someone agrees, great minds think alike eh?

Sorry, but he's a troll.

Suddenly, players stop taking shit from developers who are accountable to nobody on a bigger than ever scale. MUST BE A PROBLEM WITH THEM. NOT THE GUYS WHO BUTCHERED THE ENDING.

I have nothing against people voicing opinions, what I do have a problem with is people demanding that something be changed because it isn't the way they wanted. Even if the edning did suck that's how the writers wanted to end it so people have no right to demand a change in the way they have.

Not the way their wanted - yes, I agree.

Breaking multiple characters, inventing new technology (instant resurrection from vaporization, for instance), making an M.Night Shyamalama twist at last moment and leaving the players with 0 closure at end? Add false advertising about 16 different endings that wouldn't be reduced to A, B or C and you get a valid case.

The same thing happened to Neon Genesis Evangelion - ending made literally NO SENSE, it was dumb, and not even the biggest fans can admit it was a good ending. They remade the ending in End of Evangelion movie.

 

[Traun]

No, no we are not.

Demanding a better quality or service does not mean entitlement, throwing away your rights as a customer just makes you, for a lack of a better word, a corporate whore.

Mass Effect 3 ending was of the lowest quality, it was terrible and did not match the rest of the trilogy. It was no different than going to the movie and the movie in question being a piece of shit. The fanbase wants the ending remade, why is this surprising? Have you seen the first release of Blade Runner? It sucked, it was a total flop and it wasn't until the re-release that the film started to gain popularity.

Games for Windows Live is a terrible service. I refuse to use it, the same way I refuse to use Origins due to their terms of use. Can they release Dark Souls exclusively for GFWL? Yes. Will I buy it in this case? No, I refuse to use GFWL and Dark Souls being exclusively on that system means that I will not be buying it, and that decision will have nothing to do with the game. On the other hand, if I have alternative avenues I can use to obtain the game I am willing to do it.

 

[Ironside]

What is it about certain words that cause what I am from now on going to refer to as "the parrot effect"? Is it the meaning, or the phonology that they find irresistible? Or perhaps its a domino effect that comes from hearing the word to much, like a song getting stuck in your head; eventually you start singing it as well. Nevertheless my answer is no, I don't think gamers feel a false sense of entitlement. I think you have just been caught up in the parrot effect.

I don't think they even know the meaning of the word, but because some reviewers and critics and whatnot said it at one stage they all decided they wanted to be like them, so now they are just throwing it out all over the place.

To the OP: No I don't think gamers are too entitled - i've not seen them do anything that is any different to what happens in the rest of the capitalist system.

 

[johnnnny guitar]

No video games are a business. We as consumers have every right to complain about anything we feel like.

Hell I don't care if people complain that call of duty had to much shooting and not enough loading screen thats their opinion as a customer.

Games these days cost (in Australia) $120 new, anything for that price, that is a piece of entertainment you and I expect and want top quality.

If I or anyone else thinks that their standards were not met then they can voice their opinions they have the right to you can call them entitled but in the end they are "entitled" something worth the money they earnt through labour and work.

 

[PatrickXD]

I think it might be a case of gamers are finally realising how much freedom they have to change the gaming experience. As with all things, it takes practice in order to hit a measured and balanced note every time, but without overstepping the mark once or twice we can never know how to really positively influence the industry.
So I think that at the moment some people are being over zealous. But it takes determination and a will to change things to the way we want them to really learn how to make appropriate impacts in the future.

 

[Something Amyss]

the removal/alternative to Games for Windows Live for the PC release of Dark Souls.

Ah. There's your problem.

You're using the word "entitled" wrong. I'm pretty sure nobody has said they are "entitled to" Dark Souls without GFWL. They have merely started a petition demanding its removal because it sucks. They have, as consumers, opted to say "we won't buy it unless you change X."

That's not entitlement. At least, it's not entitlement in the negative sense you seem to mean. They actually are entitled to voice their opinions about and/or decide whether or not to purchase a product.

Similarly, fans have every right to demand a "better" ending for Mass Effect 3. They even have a right to expect it in this case--even the BBB has said this constitutes false advertising.

These are your big examples of entitlement?

Kind of sad, actually.

 

[Dr Jones]

Given recent developments, how can anyone say that gamers aren't entitled?! It's the one medium where the people making the products listen and respond to the community, and all we do it *****, moan, complain and demand.

This!
Granted, sometimes gamers are abseloutely right in their anger (Mass Effect 3 somewhat, it was falsely advertised, as said) but some gamers have a tendency to just blow things completely out of proportion. I hate it. Hate it to death. I've noticed going to game forums has tired me more and more, as there is always, ALWAYS a group of people bitching, whining and moaning about the most minor things. It is tiring and annoying as shit. I sorta get the Dark Souls petition, but yeah, that is definitely a case of entitlement. From Software don't owe them ANYTHING. they are doing the gamers a favor by bringing it to PC, with or without GFWL.

And the constant whining, Jesus Christ.. Seems nowadays Bioware cant catch a break. They barely said anything about Dragon Age III and people are already dismissing it, calling it shit.. I hate some people..

And don't get me started on people ripping on reviewers, omfg.. Jim Sterling's "Hate out of ten" took this matter incredibly well. People ripping on IGN, saying they are paid off (IGN aren't the best, but the hate they get is immense) when their reviewers sometimes dont get paid, and do reviews for the fun of it (they do get a game).

 

[Something Amyss]

I have nothing against people voicing opinions, what I do have a problem with is people demanding that something be changed because it isn't the way they wanted. Even if the edning did suck that's how the writers wanted to end it so people have no right to demand a change in the way they have.

They probably shouldn't have hyped it as something different, then.

That's the primary contention, as much as people seem to ignore that.

 

[repeating integers]

Pirates are definitely entitled. Those fuckers who think they deserve everything for free.

I'd say the ME3 ending complaints were justified though - legally, it was false advertising (see the Escapist news story). However, people who believe they are entitled to free DLC are over-entitled IMO.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Training sheep at a young age is the best way to go it seems.
How dare people demand quality for their money, you will pay full price and love any old shit you get for it! Also go on internets and "boo" out anyone who doesn't.

 

[Vivi22]

TLDR- Are we as gamers too self entitled today or are we right in demanding things be changed just because we don't like it?

I think its alright to complain about some things such as witheld game content but I don't think its right to demand that a developer change their games story just because people don't like it.

No, gamers are every bit as entitled as they should be. If you pay money for a trilogy with a shitty ending and don't complain then you're a fool because you're just asking for it to keep happening. And if a port for a game you want is announced and you don't demand that it remove a shitty service which will have a huge impact on how the game plays, then you have no one to blame but yourself when it's released and you're fighting a shitty service to get it to work the way it's supposed to.

I have no problem with those who don't have the nerve to stand up for what they want out of a product they paid for, but they shouldn't be surprised when they find themselves taking it in the ass as a result.

 

[Dragoon]

I have nothing against people voicing opinions, what I do have a problem with is people demanding that something be changed because it isn't the way they wanted. Even if the edning did suck that's how the writers wanted to end it so people have no right to demand a change in the way they have.

They probably shouldn't have hyped it as something different, then.

That's the primary contention, as much as people seem to ignore that.

Yeah but sadly this has been common place in video games for a long time and people have never before caused such an uproar about this kinda thing. Look at the Fable games for example, we were promised loads of features that never really happened and no one demanded it be put in then.

 

[Doom-Slayer]

I have noticed just recently that a large number of gamers seem to complain alot about many things they feel they are entitled to. For example a better ending for Mass Effect 3 and just recently the removal/alternative to Games for Windows Live for the PC release of Dark Souls. I know that the ending for ME was pretty bad and there are many threads out there discussing that, but this is not about that.

Whenever anything that people don't like is announced or found there always seems to be a massive uproar about it with petitions and many angry posts flying over the internet. This is by no way a new thing but just recently its exploded in popularity.

TLDR- Are we as gamers too self entitled today or are we right in demanding things be changed just because we don't like it?

I think its alright to complain about some things such as witheld game content but I don't think its right to demand that a developer change their games story just because people don't like it.

So...people spend all this time on petitions..finally get noticed and they only get half of what they wanted because the game is being released on a terrible un-user friendly platform.

An analogy for your view would be like saying that if I begged Gordon Ramsey to make me a meal and petitioning for it and saying Id pay any amount. Then when he finally does he spits in it, and according you I have no right to complain because I still got what I wanted.

And what about the people who didn't petition..like say me...am I being entitled because well..this game that sounds cool is going to be released on a stupid platform and not you know..the most successful platform out right now?

Also based on that last bit you clearly dont understand the Mass Effect 3 issue. Id suggest you do some reading, the problem was that the ending provided no closure and the developers had stated the ending would SPECIFICALLY not be like it was. People dont really like it when developers lie about their products.

 

[DementedSheep]

I sorta get the Dark Souls petition, but yeah, that is definitely a case of entitlement. From Software don't owe them ANYTHING. they are doing the gamers a favor by bringing it to PC, with or without GFWL.

Favor? it business decision, a product they are selling. No they don't "owe" us anything, I don?t think many (I say many because there is always a couple) are trying to suggest that they actually ?owe? us anything before we buy the game but people aren?t obligated to buy their product either and we are entitled to voice our opinion.
The original petition was to show they had a market on the PC which they do but GFWL seriously devalues their product and many people won't buy it specifically because of GFWL.
Which do you think is better? That people just don?t say anything and don't buy it (so they lose money) because of this or that they are made aware of the problem before the game is released where they might have opportunity to do something about it if they can and wish too.

 

[GoaThief]

The confusion between self-entitled and entitled/entitlement in this thread from both sides grates.

Cease and desist!

 

[AT God]

Most gaming is done casually, and the casual gamers usually do not feel entitiled, they shell out money for sequels every year. And I am not picking on CoD/AC people specifically, there are people who buy their favorite sport's new game every year and I doubt they feel entitled to much. More hardcore gamers, i.e. people who play lots of games, not just mainstream games, are slightly more entitled because they follow games developement stages and when the information they are given about a game doesn't match up to the actual game, they are entitled to some answers.

As for the people petitioning for certain features, I sympathize with them but I don't support them. I hate Origin, I expressed that to my friends but I never signed anything demanding that BF3 be available on Steam. Same went for Mass Effect 3 on Origin. I also have several Steam games that use GFWL, I do not like that either, but I weigh my decisions about my enjoying the game against the fact that I am forced to use a UI I don't prefer. I bought BF3 because I thought its quality would out weigh Origin's bad setup. Thats a risk I took and I didn't feel entitled to have it available on Steam.

I think gamers are entitled to quality assurance, if GFWL didn't work and I bought a game that required it, I would feel entitled to a fix. If my favorite game was only available on Origin, I would suck it up and buy it or let it go unplayed.

When a promise or statement is made that is not fulfilled, then people can feel entitled to restitution, such as the thing with ME3, Bioware made statements that they did not fulfill and I feel that Bioware should be held accountable.

And yes, entitled is a word being spammed so much that it is going to become 2012's buzzword. Last year's was "Occupy," and we all know how properly used and applied that word was. Gamers are consumers; compare a gamer's level of entitlement to that of someone who orders food at a restaurant, I don't think there is much difference between the two.

 

[GamerAddict7796]

No, even with Mass Effect, because if they expect you to pay $60 everytime they release a game, they can't hand you a turd and call you entitiled when you complain. Mass Effect 3 fans had a valid argument but took it too far.

Imagine if the Harry Potter books ended with Harry leading up to an epic battle only to be ran over by a bus before it happens, even though there are no buses there, and the book ending. That would warrant a complaint, even a petition. Maybe Mass Effect fans took it too far, their argument would still be valid.