Poll: Are gamers today too self entitiled?
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Yes, Being a massive player of Star Trek Online my fellow trekkies are very entitled.
All this fuss about the in-game lottery is crazy, if you don't want it then.... Don't buy it?
All this fuss about the in-game lottery is crazy, if you don't want it then.... Don't buy it?
That's not what entitled means.Kinguendo said:
So you're saying that developers shouldn't be able to do what they want with their games? If I write a book, I can write it any way I want and can make the ending as terrible as I want. No matter how much you complain, I'll only change it if I think it will improve the book in any way.esperandote said:
I don't think gamers are too entitled.
I think everyone is too entitled. Particularly Gen Y and younger, but Gen-Xers like myself are also guilty of it (albeit to a lesser degree).
The only reason the "gamers are entitled" thing comes up is because this is a gamer site. Are the people here entitled? Hell yeah. But they're entitled everywhere else too.
I've never argued that gamers are entitled for that very reason - it would be like arguing that they breathe oxygen or have to pay taxes.
I think everyone is too entitled. Particularly Gen Y and younger, but Gen-Xers like myself are also guilty of it (albeit to a lesser degree).
The only reason the "gamers are entitled" thing comes up is because this is a gamer site. Are the people here entitled? Hell yeah. But they're entitled everywhere else too.
I've never argued that gamers are entitled for that very reason - it would be like arguing that they breathe oxygen or have to pay taxes.
No, GAMERS today aren't too self entitled.
Most people nowadays are too self entitled. It is the L'Oreal Generation ("Because [I'm] worth it" a phrase I have commandeered from a friend at work) and has been since the birth of the 'yuppie' in the 80's. The problem is just constantly exacerbated by the self-entitlement that is abounding in culture and the zeitgeist.
Up the 99% and all that.
Most people nowadays are too self entitled. It is the L'Oreal Generation ("Because [I'm] worth it" a phrase I have commandeered from a friend at work) and has been since the birth of the 'yuppie' in the 80's. The problem is just constantly exacerbated by the self-entitlement that is abounding in culture and the zeitgeist.
Up the 99% and all that.
Honestly I'd say it's the game developers that are acting entitled to their fans. When game developers start taking their fans for granted and take on a "We can do whetever we want with our games, just give us your money dammit" attitude, that's when the fans are going to to start acting up. Gamers are the source of game developers income, we pay them so that they may continue to be in business making more games. If they choose to completely disregard the people that buy their games, then they are going to lose fans/money. So when the developers say things like "Suck it up whiny idiots, what do you know?" that's when I stop purchasing their products.
Are Gamers entitled? Yes.
Now, is that a bad thing? No. Im not going in depth, as its already been said previously in this thread, but entitlement is not a bad thing. As paying cutomers, we do have the right to complain about a product. Now, is the complaining going a bit overboard as of late, probably. But that doesnt mean the correct alternative is to shut up and take what we are given and force ourselves to enjoy it.
Now, is that a bad thing? No. Im not going in depth, as its already been said previously in this thread, but entitlement is not a bad thing. As paying cutomers, we do have the right to complain about a product. Now, is the complaining going a bit overboard as of late, probably. But that doesnt mean the correct alternative is to shut up and take what we are given and force ourselves to enjoy it.
If anyone has any right to feel entitled to it, its them... BECAUSE THEY MAKE IT !!!esperandote said:
Let me put this as clear as I can: before Bioware decided to do it, Mass Effect was literally NOTHING. No Shepard, no Sovereign, No Saren... nothing. And since they put countless hours into creating the characters, world, story, music, concept art, etc; while all consumers put was the equivalent of a few Whopper combos, guess who has more right to feel entitled to it.
Costumers have the right to demand change. And if they don't give the costumer what they want, the costumer won't buy it.
The problem starts when the costumer starts being aggressive. As I said, he has the right to ask for a change, he doesn't have a guarantied change. The problem with gamer lately is that they don't understand that.
It's OK for them to ask for the changed ending of ME, but it's not OK for them to think that the ending MUST be changed because they say so.
Also, an alternative for Games for Windows should come asap. It's the king of all crap.
The problem starts when the costumer starts being aggressive. As I said, he has the right to ask for a change, he doesn't have a guarantied change. The problem with gamer lately is that they don't understand that.
It's OK for them to ask for the changed ending of ME, but it's not OK for them to think that the ending MUST be changed because they say so.
Also, an alternative for Games for Windows should come asap. It's the king of all crap.
But see, unless someone actually threatens bodily harm on a publisher it isn't really a demand. Sure they can use the word demand but the word request would be interchangeable. Just because they use the word doesn't mean it really is a demand.hermes200 said:You know, there is a difference between "complain" andmalakaira said:
"demand"
Somewhere along the way, a line was crossed.
I disagree completely. Who gives them the money so that they can go on to make games? The consumers do. Without us there isn't even a Bioware in the first place. Gamers are in a way the developers bosses. If they do a good job we pay them well for it. If they don't then they lose money. If they want to continue making games, then they should respect what the people who pay them want.hermes200 said:
Not to say that developers shouldn't have creative freedom. If they didn't then we'd be on Modern Warfare #2097 by now. But they do need to stop taking their fans for granted and understand we're not obligated to buy their games just because they put some time and money into making it.
I think that if all developers just 'listened' to their audience, made it exactly to their liking, and stuffed it to the point of it exploding with fanservice, the games would be horrible.
Instead, the people who are developing and directing the game should know WHERE the series is headed, so that it will get an actual direction. Otherwise, it comes across as dumb in all forms.
The point is that the game the developers are making is NOT YOUR GAME, it's a game that you might just like, if you are part of the intended audience. The problem is when people try to appeal to everyone - nothing ends up working.
Instead, the people who are developing and directing the game should know WHERE the series is headed, so that it will get an actual direction. Otherwise, it comes across as dumb in all forms.
The point is that the game the developers are making is NOT YOUR GAME, it's a game that you might just like, if you are part of the intended audience. The problem is when people try to appeal to everyone - nothing ends up working.
If anything it's the publishers that are too entitled. The things I've seen a good few of them do recently tells me they think they're entitled to every dime in my bank acount by virtue of existing.
I wouldn't think of the petitions and complaints as necessarily a bad thing, it's feedback essentially, and if it makes them work a bit harder on the next release then I'm all for it. Generally the quality of games lately hasn't lived up to the quality of the marketing teams behind it, and I'm all for companies being told that they can't just do this. This also really applies to DLC although that will carry on as long as people still buy it.