Poll: Are We Too Hard On Lucas?
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The man fought against colorizing black and white movies, because he believed it ruined them.
Then did the exact same thing himself, and ruined one of the most classic franchises in the history of film.
No, I don't think we're too hard on him.
Release the ORIGINAL UNEDITED MOVIES ON DVD. Then we'll talk.
Then did the exact same thing himself, and ruined one of the most classic franchises in the history of film.
No, I don't think we're too hard on him.
Release the ORIGINAL UNEDITED MOVIES ON DVD. Then we'll talk.
I think that Redlettermedia said it best. Lucas was at his best when he had to fight for his ideas to get on the screen. When he was forced to improvise, to sweat on location, to innovate, and to compromise. That was when lucas was truely at his best.
With the prequels he literally sat in a room with two cameras, a cup of coffee and just did the most basic of film dialog shots. He then added literally everything in with CG later. It's kinda sad to see how little effort he put into the films, and how no one ever told him, "no thats a bad idea"
With the prequels he literally sat in a room with two cameras, a cup of coffee and just did the most basic of film dialog shots. He then added literally everything in with CG later. It's kinda sad to see how little effort he put into the films, and how no one ever told him, "no thats a bad idea"
Then you simply have no taste in good movies.Orks da best said:
The prequels, all of them, are garbage. Bad acting, directing, bad pacing, bad structure, bad EVERYTHING.
I've seen movies from Film Students with $50 budgets come up with better movies.
There is absolutely NOTHING redeeming about the Star Wars prequels.
He's the creator. He plays God with his canon. He can do whatever the hell he likes, and fans can suck it up. He has every right to do what he likes with his work. You and I don't own it. He owns it. That's like telling JK Rowling she can't kill Dumbledore because we like him too much. Sucks to be us.
But I'm not a diehard Star Wars fan, so I can't really understand this fanboyism.
The prequels were better than The Last Airbender, so I honestly can't say they're the worst things ever and have no redeeming value. Were they Awesomely Significant and Wonderful? No. Were they pieces of crap? I'd say no. They were fun. Shallow and stilted, but still fun. I enjoyed the pod-race scene. I liked the graphics; they were immersive. I liked the whiz-bang and General Grievous and the lava fight. I thought they were nice to watch. Ergo, it wasn't a 100% failure in my book.
The originals, I honestly didn't like much. I was under 10 when I saw them, and all I wanted was to watch animated Disney movies, and I thought Luke Skywalker was lame and boring. I saw the first movie recently and...welp, now that I'm out of college, I still think Luke Skywalker is lame and boring. Maybe I'm just not cut out for Star Wars.
But I'm not a diehard Star Wars fan, so I can't really understand this fanboyism.
The prequels were better than The Last Airbender, so I honestly can't say they're the worst things ever and have no redeeming value. Were they Awesomely Significant and Wonderful? No. Were they pieces of crap? I'd say no. They were fun. Shallow and stilted, but still fun. I enjoyed the pod-race scene. I liked the graphics; they were immersive. I liked the whiz-bang and General Grievous and the lava fight. I thought they were nice to watch. Ergo, it wasn't a 100% failure in my book.
The originals, I honestly didn't like much. I was under 10 when I saw them, and all I wanted was to watch animated Disney movies, and I thought Luke Skywalker was lame and boring. I saw the first movie recently and...welp, now that I'm out of college, I still think Luke Skywalker is lame and boring. Maybe I'm just not cut out for Star Wars.
In a way, I think whether he deserves it or not is irrelevant. When you make a work public -- be it a major motion picture, or a lowly forum post -- you open yourself up to criticism and praise. You gotta take the bad with the good, even if there is no good. If he's sensitive about the public's reaction, perhaps he should have stopped sooner.
So, to answer the original question ("Are we too hard on Lucas?"), I would have to say "no". I think there are better, and more-constructive ways to voice displeasure; however, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and has a right to express it.
So, to answer the original question ("Are we too hard on Lucas?"), I would have to say "no". I think there are better, and more-constructive ways to voice displeasure; however, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and has a right to express it.
In my opinion, the original trilogy are average at best. Return of the Jedi in particular devolves into "muppets in space!"-like farce.
My major issue with Lucas is that he returns to the Star Wars universe time and again primarily to make money. Eg: all the crass tie-ins, unnecessary revisions, and 3D remakes.
My major issue with Lucas is that he returns to the Star Wars universe time and again primarily to make money. Eg: all the crass tie-ins, unnecessary revisions, and 3D remakes.
No? He's fucking with classic cinema for no credible reason and we're supposed to feel bad because he doesn't like being called out on it? Have some integrity.
Not quite. It's more like if JK goes back now and tools around the books to change the tone or introduce frivolous details. People would be outraged. For the most part, people like things the way they are when they originally saw/read it, flaws and all.Aurora Firestorm said:
I'm only really bothered that he's made such a case of re-selling his movies repeatedly, rather than making new ones. Modernizing the classics that we all have already fallen in love with, despite their flaws, is kind of a kick in the seat.
Its more like if JK went back to the first book now, and decided to re-write the entire book, by adding a goofy side-kick character that follows Harry around, then not change any of the other dialog, just randomly insert bad slapstick humor in EVERYTHING.Aurora Firestorm said:
Then you have what equals to what Lucas did to Star Wars.
If you're gonna make an analogy, make it correct.
The thing is while the original (4-6) were incomplete in his view, we loved them just the way it was! Ok yes I guess he was thinking we would love it even more for the alteration he add to it. Yes I can get when you're perfectionish but you can't denined people loving your creation the way it is so why tampering it any further?
As for good other prequels, we will have to wait and see for The Hobbits (I wonder who are going to complains about the changes they did compare to the book).
As for good other prequels, we will have to wait and see for The Hobbits (I wonder who are going to complains about the changes they did compare to the book).
He makes Uwe Boll and Michael Bay look like masters of the medium. If he ever had talent, it's long since deserted him. His finest films were principally the effort of other people.
To those presuming the only reason one could hate the prequels is because of outraged Star Wars fanboyism...no. I stopped caring about Star Wars a long, long time ago, but I haven't stopped caring about quality cinema. It's an art form, just like music, just like literature. If you've ever complained about a bad song, or a bad book, or a bad game, you've not got a leg to stand on here. Lucas is the Rebecca Black of film directors. He's Stephanie Meyer. He's Elf Bowling.
He's a joke, and a hack, and his prequels are the worst kind of rubbish, and deserves every jot of abuse he's been taking and then some.
To those presuming the only reason one could hate the prequels is because of outraged Star Wars fanboyism...no. I stopped caring about Star Wars a long, long time ago, but I haven't stopped caring about quality cinema. It's an art form, just like music, just like literature. If you've ever complained about a bad song, or a bad book, or a bad game, you've not got a leg to stand on here. Lucas is the Rebecca Black of film directors. He's Stephanie Meyer. He's Elf Bowling.
He's a joke, and a hack, and his prequels are the worst kind of rubbish, and deserves every jot of abuse he's been taking and then some.
THIS.Loop Stricken said:
Just because he decided to cry about it, does not excuse him from what he's done.
The infamous edit that puts Hayden Christensen at the end of RoTJ was released on a special edition DVD that included the original theatrical version of the film. I bought them just a couple years back, so I can't imagine that they'd be impossible to find.Owyn_Merrilin said:
In some ways, yes. But Mr. Lucas has been something of an idiot in the past, and has earned most of his criticism.