mirasiel said:
spartan231490 said:
marche45 said:
Catrixa said:
"Well, if you're attacking X, why aren't you attacking A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, Y, and Z as well? You know, to have valid opinions, you need to be attacking every issue that can be construed as bad if you want to attack one"?
Is their a name for this fallacy?
It's not a fallacy. In fact, the argument about letters is a straw man, trying to show that this subject is false analogy. The comparison is valid in this situation. If you are saying that it's unacceptable to joke about rape, than you need to explain why rape is worse than other subjects(including genocide, the holocaust, and dead babies, tough sell).
The reason the argument mentioned isn't false analogy because it's comparing jokes about one subject to jokes about another subject, he's still comparing jokes to each other, which is appropriate. To make the argument, you need to find some reason that rape is so much worse than these other things, you can't just say that you can't compare them without offering a reason. Personally, I can't see any such reason.
I guess not as many people here watch Jim Sterlings videos as I thought because I could have sworn he dealt with this part of the issue a few weeks ago.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5972-Rape-vs-Murder
I don't like the guy and I have disdain for a lot of what he has said in the past but he actually handles this one pretty well, it doesn't take a great deal of thought to see how it might apply to a situation like this.
As for the name of the fallacy, I use short hand like : total fucking moron.
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His arguments are wrong. First, that rape has a victim that can't fight back. So do most of your murder victims in many stealth games, like Assassins Creed or Tenchu. These games didn't face backlash.
Second point, that rape is power fantasy that only men can enjoy. This frankly disgusts me because it, like so many things, ignores the fact that men are raped. Further, it's not applicable to jokes. Jokes aren't about power fantasies. While this argument might be just a tiny bit applicable to games about rape, it is certainly not applicable to jokes, or even games like Tomb Raider that contain rape, but aren't about rape.
Third, that death comes to us all, so it's more relatable. While true, most of us won't die by the sword, or the gun. Further, his earlier argument talked about murder, now he is classifying it as the same "death" that we all must face, which I don't find to be valid. Very few of us will be murdered. Even still, there are heaps of evidence to support that many of us, particularly young people like those that play video games, don't really conceptualize our own death. That's why facing death closes is such a traumatic experience.
Fourth. That if you've been raped, you will be reminded about your experience every time you play a game about rape(or in this case hear a joke about rape). Sorry, this is inapplicable in both situations. If there was a game about rape(and apparently there are) the title would warn you(and it seems they do). The same with jokes, anyone who goes to a Daniel Tosh performance and doesn't believe he might tell a rape joke is an idiot. Further, this woman never mentioned anything about being raped, or even so much as knowing someone who was raped. Also, if you won't allow jokes to be told about rape for this reason, then how can you allow women to traumatize themselves by speaking about their own rape, which must be much worse. How can we allow them to testify? How can we allow them to speak about their experiences in public to warn other women? It's not like it was Jeff Foxworthy when no one could have expected dark humor, it was Daniel Tosh, that's what he does, you have no right to be surprised. Further, as so many have said before, she could have left quietly instead of trying to ruin the show for everyone else.
Fifth, we are comfortable with murder because it's obviously wrong but rape isn't. This is such ludicrous crap I don't even really know how to form an argument against it other than: are you mental? But I'll try. No one actually believes it's ok to rape people, except the crazy people that do it, same as murder. Go ahead, ask yourself, ask your friends, ask you family. You won't find one person who says: "yes, it's ok to rape people"
Sixth, "Comedians like Dave Chapelle inadvertently minimize and justify rape" BULL FUCKING SHIT. It's dark humor, it's like satire, it's being ironic. It's not meant to be taken seriously. They make jokes just the same about the holocaust, are they inadvertently minimizing and justifying the holocaust? No, somehow rape has it's own magical shield that makes it different than every other subject on earth. Oh wait, no it doesn't.
Seventh, there are tips for women to avoid being raped, but not for people to avoid being murdered. Actually, yeah there are. Lock your doors at night, avoid gang controlled neighborhoods, get a home security system, ask to see their badge before you trust a police officer. Hell, I bet you've been told to yell "fire" instead of "help" if you need help. But for some crazy reason, if you do this same thing about rape, you're blaming the victim. BULLSHIT! Sure, you might hear the "how not to get raped tips" more than "how not to get murdered," but 1/6 people don't get murdered now do they?
Eight, fictional villains who are meant to be truly evil often rape people because it's somehow more evil than murder. Fair, but they often commit genocide too, but genocide and the holocaust somehow ok to put in games and jokes while people still claim rape isn't fair game for these mediums, BULLSHIT!
Lastly, at the very end of it, he supports that artists should have the right to make games about rape, they should just be labeled as a little weird. Why doesn't Daniel Tosh get the same artistic freedom?
