Poll: Do you agree with the Black Ops Swastika Ban?

Brawndo

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pretentiousname01 said:
People are clearly just using it to piss off others.

That is not what Freedom of speech had in mind. I am also of the mind that the other vulgar things should be banned. At least suspended/warning.

However this is what happens when you give people power. They invariably use it to be giant assholes.
Who are you to determine what "freedom of speech had in mind"? Are you a constitutional law scholar? Only things deemed to be in violation of obscenity laws are not protected by the First Amendment. The Swastika may be offensive, but it is NOT obscene according to the law. Offensive materials are not banned just because some people do not like them (case in point: porn).
 

Audun Maatje

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If you ban the swastika, then you also have to ban the hammer and sickle, no if's, ands or buts. Double standards much?
No, not really. The Hammer and Sickle was representative of a series of leaders and time periods in the 20th Century Soviet Union, many of which varied from Stalin. However the Swastika is associated (primarily, any fucking idiot who says it has a different meaning is wrong. I don't care what it meant before the Nationalist Socialists, it's a Nazi symbol.) directly with the one leader and regime - Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany.
Really? you know... The german symbol isn't even called the swastika, it's called the hakenkreutz, hooked cross in english. The swastika (inverse hakenkreutz) is an ancient symbol from hindu, symbolizing the sun. (correct me if I'm wrong, please)
And don't do the
Octorok said:
Hitler was, indisputably, more of a "bad guy" than Stalin, and his symbol represents that.
are you a historian? Is this your personal view? No, I bet you're not, and yes, it is... I'm not going to say you are wrong, but I am going to say that Stalin killed off millions of his own people by sending them into the war, extremely poorly armed and trained, and by executing *loads* or people he saw as a threat to his regime.
 

Jrtlaktalk

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I have reasoned this soundly, but I have decided to 'censor' it just like the 'censoring' of the symbol. The reasoning for banning it is, quite simply, childlike. But I expect it is too important going up in arms about something ridiculous and getting your '2 cents' instead of getting that massive chip from your shoulder about being ignored and treated like a doormat in real life. I think psychologists call it action formation.
 
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I don't play any COD games... but I strongly advocate freedom of speech so I am against the ban. That's not to say I support the Nazis, but censoring the swastika seems a bit ironic.
 

MrJohnson

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The swastika is a reversed form of a Hindu symbol. If a swastika is going that way then it is obviously a Nazi symbol and the guy is doing it just to be a douche.

Also lol at all the petty moralists who somehow think that purposely having a symbol representative of Nazi Germany should be protected by Free Speech. Probably the same people who believe in "Southern pride" where they need their flag to represent the time they stupidly tried to form their own nation based on slave labor.

And no, I don't give half a bullshit that the Civil War was about "State's Rights" since it was about the State's Rights to own slaves an action that is indefensible morally.
 

MarcFirewing

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I support it. You may end up offending a shit-ton of people when you start wearing it as your clan-tag, then end up getting harassed by a lot of Jewish-religion people. (I thought my best to make this as unoffensive as possible.)

That will end up making you harass back, and then a neverending cycle of bitchiness. That's my view on them anyways.
 

Octorok

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Audun Maatje said:
Octorok said:
Iwata said:
If you ban the swastika, then you also have to ban the hammer and sickle, no if's, ands or buts. Double standards much?
No, not really. The Hammer and Sickle was representative of a series of leaders and time periods in the 20th Century Soviet Union, many of which varied from Stalin. However the Swastika is associated (primarily, any fucking idiot who says it has a different meaning is wrong. I don't care what it meant before the Nationalist Socialists, it's a Nazi symbol.) directly with the one leader and regime - Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany.
Really? you know... The german symbol isn't even called the swastika, it's called the hakenkreutz, hooked cross in english. The swastika (inverse hakenkreutz) is an ancient symbol from hindu, symbolizing the sun. (correct me if I'm wrong, please)
And don't do the
Octorok said:
Hitler was, indisputably, more of a "bad guy" than Stalin, and his symbol represents that.
are you a historian? Is this your personal view? No, I bet you're not, and yes, it is... I'm not going to say you are wrong, but I am going to say that Stalin killed off millions of his own people by sending them into the war, extremely poorly armed and trained, and by executing *loads* or people he saw as a threat to his regime.
Firstly we call the Nazi's flag and the inverse Swastika a Swastika. It's just what it's known by.

Secondly, even if I won a collection of Nobel Prizes for biographing Stalin and Hitler, it would still be my opinion, and there's no need to belittle it. I'm not even old enough to have gotten to that point in life anyway. I'm just well-informed. .... Are you a historian?

If you'd bothered to read my later posts you'd also note that I said - Hitler killed more people than Communism, and the Hammer and Sickle represents Communism, not just Stalin. Before everybody tells me that "Stalin killed more of his own people!", or in your case, he sent them to war.... who started the war? Seriously. The largest and most devastating front of war in human history was the German-Russian front, and the wars in Poland, France, the Low Countries and after Normandy, the Western Front weren't exactly "small".

To analyse it in terms of pure human casualties (the wrong way to do it*), Hitler was "responsible" for considerably more deaths and suffering than Stalin was.

A much better way to think of it is this. The Soviet Union was one of the victors of World War 2, and it lasted for another half-century without anything on the scale of Stalin's purges, allowing wounds that weren't well publicised (that the Soviet Union had massacred a lot of its citizens) to heal a little with a change of leaders and foreign policy.

Hitler, however, was the single figurehead in the most damned and hated regime of the twentieth century, who started the most horrifying war in history, attempted to exterminate a n entire race with extreme cruelty and, most importantly, everybody knew it. The non-Axis world had a unanimous hatred of the Nazis upon discovering the death camps, more than the Stalinist purges.

Maybe it's unfair to argue it like that, the whole "history is written by the victors", but it's true. There's simply more stigma attached to the symbol used solely during the war than against a symbol used to represent a collection of countries, leaders and politics during the 20th century.

Plus the Swastika is illegal in Germany, and players can play with other players abroad. It's respectful to them, at least, to not use it in an environment where a banned symbol might get into a German version of the game. It's why games say things like, "Online Interactions not rated by the ______" because they can't guarantee what you'll hear/see in online play.
 

Ninonybox_v1legacy

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i don't rally care bit it does weird me out, so they are allowed to have the swastika in the game (Nazi zombies and Project Nova) But not in the game (Xbox live).....wait what!?
And if they ban the swastika why don't they ban the Nazi version of the Iron cross, thats everywhere in the the level Project nova.
 

GeorgW

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I definitely agree with it. Even if the so called swastika isn't by definition a representation of horrible things, the only reason anyone, and I mean ANYONE, would use it is to provoke people.
 

JDKJ

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evalyn said:
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4. It's an emblem. On a small card. In a multiplayer component. Of a game. It means: NOTHING.
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