Poll: Do you agree with the genophage?

[Cheery Lunatic]

Yeah, I'm pretty late to the ME partay, so I'm not sure if (or how much) this thread has been done...
I've only recently got into Mass Effect (Jesuschrist, dunno what took me so long... so glad I finally got a 360), and I think I'm relatively far into ME2 (only just escaped a "derelict" Collector Ship, and have started Tali's loyalty mission - so please, spoiler box anything past there ;-.
A lot of issues are pretty standard black-and-white, but the genophage is pretty interesting shade of gray.

I'm playing thru as a Paragon right now, and that's basically guaranteeing that I have to hate the genophage with an undying passion, but I myself feel conflicted over it. I kinda agree with Mordin in the fact that too many Krogans are way too dangerous, but it IS horrible for a an entire species to fear for its future. I mean, obviously not all Krogan are bad. I like Wrex, and though Grunt's obsession with violence is kinda scaring me, he's funny in an ironic and unintentional kinda way.

On a completely unrelated side note, who did you romance in ME2? I never really bothered to do anything in the first ME. With the sort-of exception of Tali, I didn't really like any of the females of the first ME - for instance, I really regret saving Ashley (idk what possessed me to do it).

I was curious on how the whole thing works, so I fell into the romance options of ME2 a bit haphazardly (I accidentally said "yes" when Jack asked if my Shep was into her and, as of right now, she's acting really bitchy about how she's NOT PREPAREDblahblahblah, and I see no options of getting out of the relationship at the moment... FML).
I generally really like all the characters so far (I really wanted to cuntpunt Miranda for the longest time though). My favorite is between Garrus and Mordin.

TL;DR: Look at thread title. And if you feel like being chatty, tell me how you took a jab at romance in the ME universe. (And spoiler box/warn shit, pleaseandthankyou.)

edit: wat. Don't just vote guys, talk to me! I'm lonely.

 

[LordLundar]

I have to agree with Mordin's take on it. There's a perception of them as victims in the micro scale, but those who argue that have not seen the Krogan in full numbers. Consider Tuchanka for example. The Krogan nuked their own planet and not because of the Genophage. That said, Okeer has the right idea. Forget about trying to cure the genophage, work at making better krogan as opposed to simply more.

As for the romance, no one in the second game. I romanced Liara in the first and I don't want to screw that up. Young asari who's one of the stronger biotics in the galaxy and a network of connections? Yeah, really don't want to piss her off.

 

[katboii]

i agree on the genophage at the time but as i've seen the Krogans have learned they're still a warrior race but they don't seem like the race that would blow up half the galaxy for fun anymore

and deffo Tali there's something about her that just keeps my focus on her

 

[pixiejedi]

I agree with Mordin, he didn't do what he did lightly. The genophage was to cure the problem of the Krogan being exposed to galactic politics in the first place. They should have had time to work out their species issues before reaching out to the rest of the galaxy. Since you can't unlearn it thats the only way to work it out. I'm paragon so in the beginning I'm all upset about it but learn their reasoning and tell Mordin to keep the research.

I romanced Kaidan in ME and Thane in ME2. If I could I would have been with Tali but noooooo! In all honesty my Shepard is just waiting for an opening with Joker. I like the complications his vroliks syndrome brings to the table. He's also the only one capable of keeping up with Shepard mentally. If in 3 he's an option I will play through all games again with no romances to keep her wait for him, and then I would thank the gaming gods profusely.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Forget about trying to cure the genophage, work at making better krogan as opposed to simply more.

And after that cure the genophage.

Yeah, it's awful but hell, Mordin has a point. They'd rampage all across the galaxy, eventually not only killing billions of others, but also themselves. First make sure that doesn't happen, then give them their freedom back.

Or at least give them some slack, because apparently they're at the brink of extinction. That's a bit too drastic now isn't it? Just let them exist in some kind of stable population state, instead of making them die out entirely.

I accidentally said "yes" when Jack asked if my Shep was into her and, as of right now, she's acting really bitchy about how she's NOT PREPAREDblahblahblah, and I see no options of getting out of the relationship at the moment... FML.

Heh, I had something like that. I just didn't think she'd take my bluff, and I didn't think Shep would be so serious about it and just go with it. But I must've done something wrong, well right, after that though, because I didn't see any kind of relationship to get out to. It seemed to stop with that one-time thingy, but then again I did kinda avoid her and all after that.

 

[Bebus]

I clicked the final option, but the whole thing is a bit cyclical; no doubt the resentment and anger the genophage causes has a fair bit to do with some of their warlike tendencies.

I don't know if you saved Wrex in ME1, or if you have done Mordin's loyaly mission yet but:

Spoiler

What he is doing is going to swing my decision. If he can say confidently that he has the Krogan under control, I might use the cure research I kept

General discussion otherwise? Miranda grew on me a lot. She acts cocky and arrogant, but if you dig you can see that all comes from a very deep rooted insecurity. I romanced Liara in ME1, and the reunion in Shadow broker was glorious. I was tempted to dump her ass after the 'reunion', when all she wanted was to make me run a few grunt errands, but I'm glad I kept it in the pants. Her total shift of personality was a bit jarring, she was obviously somebody forced to grow up very, very fast.

What makes you dislike Ashley? She is a bit blunt, but otherwise I quite like her as a character (the whole poetry bit seems really forced though), sure as hell more than Kaiden! She isn't perfect, but perfect characters are boring.

Otherwise, hell just play as you like. Keep at it with Jack, or leave her in her basement if you think it's going nowhere. The first time I played through ME1 I tried to romance Ashley but failed, but I kept the save file because it made the whole universe feel a bit less electronic. You don't always get the girl in life!

 

[HannesPascal]

Or at least give them some slack, because apparently they're at the brink of extinction. That's a bit too drastic now isn't it? Just let them exist in some kind of stable population state, instead of making them die out entirely.

Isn't that exactly what both the genophage and Mordin's genophage does. It decreases fertility rates but there are still fertile krogan women.

 

[hotsauceman]

I don't really agree with it. It was just bio terrorism. They are in essence forcing people to take the pill. But its easy to take the high road when your not the species who is dying. The council seems to have a habit to get rid of people they don't like who they kinda pissed off(racni for example).
And grunt is really violent he was raised in a Tube with no emotions.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I think the genophage is intrinsically wrong it was basically biological warfare. However, I think the salarians recognise this and in turn I recognise that although abhorrent it was necessary. You are right to feel split about it because its not a paragon/renegade issue

It would not have been necessary if the Krogan hadn't been given access to Mass Effect techonology in the Rachni wars. They weren't ready for that. On thier planet their violent nature was self contained and their breeding was controlled by repeated warfare.

The whole thing is just a rolling effect of (as far as I understand) reaper indoctrination on the Rachni.

It's all very tragic and all the more reason for us to

KICK REAPER ASS.

I don't take part in romance, I just stare sadly at the back of Joker's chair and hope the AI doesn't space me.

 

[Cheery Lunatic]

What makes you dislike Ashley? She is a bit blunt, but otherwise I quite like her as a character (the whole poetry bit seems really forced though), sure as hell more than Kaiden! She isn't perfect, but perfect characters are boring.

She just struck me as a stuck up ***** and way too INYOURFACE for my liking.

Plus, I do not like the welcome she gave me at Horizon even AFTER I saved her ass (second time too, dammit). Yeah, I hate Cerberus too, but honestly NO faith whatsoever Shep's decisions? Biiiitch please.

 

[fix-the-spade]

No.

I'd have sent them the way of the Rachni*. Sure you lose out on Grunt and Wrex, but that's two good-for-something Krogan in a whole galaxy, not a good hitting rate. Then once they were all dead I'd have stripped Tuchanka for any interesting weaponry and stripped their genetics for their clever rapid healing abilities.

Everybody wins, except the Krogan, but they don't care, they can't.


That's the way the Rachni were presumed to be before Mass Effect 1, since officially that's how they still are...

 

[Jordi]

It's been a while since I played, so I may have some of the details wrong, but from what I remember, I say "Fuck the Krogans". Apparently without the genophage they were going to overrun the galaxy. That is generally what most "about-to-be-overrun" people want to avoid, so they acted. I would like to know from the people who are against the genophage how they think these people should have acted. Should they have just gone to "regular" war? It looks like they would have lost, but even if they didn't, there would have been a lot of deaths. In fact, I think the only way to keep any Krogans alive in this scenario would be to somehow control their reproduction speed. You would have to keep the surviving Krogans in captivity, and possibly kill them when their numbers grow too large to form a new threat. I don't see how that is better.

 

[viranimus]

I didnt like the thread choices. I mean killing all the Krogans for the good of all species?!?!

WTF what ever happened to killing them just for chits and giggles? Or because they take up too much space, or because they are a rather cliched psuedo reptile/amphibian alien race, or just because your bored?

/sigh.

 

[Seives-Sliver]

I played through ME2 on just about all sides, paragon, renagade, being a righteous renegade, or a chaotic paragon, and every shade between. I agree with the genophage completely, it is needed due to the krogan being able to reproduce fast, live long, and are more into conquering rather than peace. On the other hand though, the Krogan will be needed to fight the reapers and the genophage should be modified so they can reproduce faster, but not to the original numbers. When ME3 rolls around that will be something that will be answered whole-heartedly, you will need to decide how to deal with the Krogan once and for all, which means you will be seeing much more of the Krogan, and a certain warchief as well.

 

[Trillovinum]

I can only state that I hate coices like this. When people mae you choose one species over another.

I refuse to go phylosofical on this so i'll just say this.

"Krogans are cool and they seem to be getting around just fine without our further interferace. So let them be, keep everything the way it is, live and let die, etc."

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

Firstly, you CAN end a relationship in ME2. I know for a fact that practically every time you talk to Tali, she asks you if you're still interested, and you can either let her down gently ("no, it's too risky for your health, I can't do that to you"), or hard ("no, not interested"). So I'm sure there will be a way to drop Jack later.

Also, on the subject of the Genophage...I think the krogan deserve to have the restraints relaxed a little bit. They are losing what little culture they had and feel like they are a dying race. That needs to change. Plus, if Wrex's plan to unify the clans works, that could REALLY help the krogan species as a whole.

The Krogan deserve a second chance. A very cautious second chance, but one nonetheless. ...Then again, I spared the Rachni in ME1 and have no regrets about that.

 

[Cheery Lunatic]

I didnt like the thread choices. I mean killing all the Krogans for the good of all species?!?!

WTF what ever happened to killing them just for chits and giggles? Or because they take up too much space, or because they are a rather cliched psuedo reptile/amphibian alien race, or just because your bored?

/sigh.

Sorry, bro.

I'll make sure to consider sociopaths the next time I make a genophage thread. 8)

Though "the universe is a better place without them" seems to cover a lot of opinions, me thinks. Doesn't necessarily equal noble reasons, such as your interpretation of it insinuating "for the good of all species".

 

[SpaceBat]

I'm not entirely sure. I understand Mordin's point of view and I can't really think of a way to stop a fast-breeding violent species such as the krogan myself, so I understand the reason they unleashed such a horrible thing.

But on the other hand, wasn't this the fault of the other species in the first place? They knew how violent the Krogan were, yet pushed them into a new era they weren't ready for just because they needed something to win the war with. When the species react as they always have after having served their purpose, they decrease the fertility rate drastically, creating even more chaos within the species.

Sure, the Krogan would have probably fucked themselves over one way or another even if they never got to leave Tuchanka, but that doesn't really make the genophage idea any more justifiable.

 

[ecoho]

ok play mordin's loyalty mission and come back to this cause that pretty much made my choice(i suck at spoiler tags they just dont want to work for me)
i personally feel with my choices that it should be cured.

as to the romances i have 2 i really like and want to see the end for and those are loyal to liara and cheating on liara with jack. what can i say im seeing an epic cat fight in the future.
btw you dont see jacks romance lovy dovy stuff till you go on the last mission.

 

[teebeeohh]

i always thought the Salarians were incredible cunts about the whole deal. the unleashed the rachni, decided to save their asses by completely fucking up the krogans evolution as a species and when they just keep doing what they have always been doing the Salarians bring down the genophage on the Krogan and feel good about themselves.
I agree that it was probably necessary but it feels so much like the end of WW1 to me: You lost so you are wrong and we are right, deal with.
What Mordin did was probably good though, if the Krogan just randomly reproduce faster it will be chaos. If on the other hand Shepard hands a partial cure(give the Krogan an galactic average birth rate) to Wrex it will probably be stabilizing.

Also: isn't the genophage rather cruel in that it doesn't reduce fertility but kills 99.9% of krogan babies before they are born?