Jews are a race of people, trust me i have study history, they have been seen as a race since has far back as other history books can tell, Also its not just a religion for their are many jews who are atheist or of other religions. Also for books that aren't in the bible are written by people who are doing it for their own benefit, yes i know the bible was written by man, but tell me one man who wrote the new testament that had an easy life. Also your talking about the old testament and then when the new testament came, you mean when Jesus came, the messiah or so the story claims. Yeah they added those to the bible because they fulfill the old testament also to keep it from being distorted by people who were writing fake gospels and claiming to be from God. the Bible can't be a stories with morale because then the Guy they talk about is a liar and has sent a lot of Jews from their families and made people suffer horrible fates all for nothing.( this is not an appeal to pity, so don't act like it is)Thaliur said:Sure, go ahead. I just linked and commented a few videos, barely original work. Though if you do quote it, please remove the horrible typos. I had the Preview turned on and for some reason it seems to have caused my computer to swallow some letters.evilneko said:I hope you don't mind but I'm going to steal this post and quote it whenever another thread like this comes up.Thaliur said:boing
The problem with this way of thinking is, that it reverses logic. If parts of history coincidentally match biblical descriptions, that does not necessarily mean that the rest of the bible is true, too.kidd25 said:because there are things historians find that agree with the bible, such as towns or history describing what happen. which is also why people believe that Jews are one of the oldest race of people on earth. Also why do you believe the entire bible is crap, if history connects with it at times :/ it must carry at least some truth.
Also, some connections are really far-fetched.
And Jews are not a race! I'm German, and I had history classes, I should know. Jews are people who follow a certain religion, NOT a race. Semites might be a race, maybe Asians, maybe Massai (as far as I remember they are physically different from other people in their area), but following a certain set of beliefs does NOT make people a race.
This is horribly off-topic though, so we should ignore this point. I just wanted to point it out. We had enough trouble with people claiming that telling school kids to drink some water if they are thirsty to the point of being unable to concentrate or effectively do anything at all during Ramadan is racist. It is not. It is just pointing out conflicts between religion and reality.
Yes, people have been wrong in science and history. People have also been wrong in religion. Guess which people admitted that they were wrong?kidd25 said:i believe he means to use it in the way of humans evolving while writing the book. Also saying that history disprove the bible is kinda hard to prove seeing how the bible does have historians saying that the bible was right on this and this. While other historians are saying oh no the bible is wrong this is what happen. now of course one side has to be right and the other wrong, but keep in mind that people have been wrong in science and in finding things about history.
Protestants in Germany pointed out in 1997 that witch trials were unjust and wrong. The pope waited until the year 2000 to basically say "hey, we're sorry for burning all those innocent people and destroying the medical standards of their communities".
But hey, scientists have been wrong, so the Bible must be right...
True, the book of Mormon is essentially fan fiction.sharks9 said:My bad for not specifying the Bible I was talking about was the Protestant Bible and by the same, I meant the messages were the same. Yes there are different books that have been removed/added from the Old Testament, but the New Testament has been established for centuries and is the same as it was hundreds of years ago. The main reason for difference in words is the fact that not all the original words can be properly translated into English so if you want to read the Bible as it was originally written, simply learn Greek or Hebrew.DracoSuave said:Except of course, those that have entirely different books, or missing books, or entirely new testaments.Also, the bible is essentially the same as it was when it was first put together.
Where is the book of mormon in your King James Bible? The Apocrypha?
Similiar != same. Mostly the same != same.Obviously some words are different in different translations but the messages are mostly the same and they have ancient manuscripts that they can study and show that are similar to today's Bibles.
Also, twenty extra books != the same. (Compare King James to Eastern Orthodox.)
In fact, there are bible translations created strictly for political reasons. Like... oh... King James?
Also, the Book of Mormon is not considered part of the bible, it's considered a separate document.
But the necessity to point out the bible version you were talking about alone shows that the bible was subject to change.
Heavy change, actually, even before it was written down, which is why it can never be considered a reliable source of history. Stories, yes. Stories with a morale, definitely, but historical fact, not.
So the bible is either one or the other. The truth or a huge lie. Now don't get me wrong people are wrong on a lot of things, but we have text from the age of Jesus and some older that are very similar to the bible we have today.