Poll: Gun Penetration

[Royal Flush17]

It has been increasingly popular that newer shooters feature bullet penetration. But if you ask me, new titles like Rainbow Six Vegas 2 are taking penetration a little too far. I'll explain, quite a few of its new multi-player maps are wooden training/housing development projects thats suppose to show off the penetration system. All good untill you discover that the only hard piece of cover is a fork lift or abandoned car, and everything is paper. You cant hide anywhere really without being rattled with bullets through it. Why have a cover system or anything in the map, for that matter, if it stands no chance to any gun the game has? I feel its taking away skill from the shooter. Why figure out a way to maneuver and coordinated your teammates around a guy when you can just shoot him/her through their "cover", it being a tactical shooter. I believe this will ultimately end up as another step back, like the decision to take out health bars (sorry I'm old fashion).
What game developers like Ubisoft are trying to make the player realize is a sense of realism. But we don't play games to play real life we deal with it everyday. Also with titles like Rainbow Six focusing on realism, I'll let it slip this time. I feel that Call of Duty 4 used a penetration system the best so far. Its not too or under ridiculous, you get perks too increase it slightly if you like and most everything in each map is very sturdy cover. I really hope other game developers will become aware of this and use it responsibly.

Your thoughts?

 

[Copter400]

A penetration system sounds really cool. If there's a few wooden crates or cabinets lying around, it makes for interesting gameplay. But if every second surface is bulletable, then a game like Rainbow 6, which focuses so much on team strategy, ends up becoming Halo. The way it sounds, they've put it in as a gimmick more than anything else. It's ridiculous.

Also, I think it should be a criminal offense to make magic health bars.

 

[zen5887]

A funny thing I found with CoD4 is an old wooden crate cant stop 9mm bullets but it will stop an RPG =P

Its a good idea and adds a bit of tention but yeah.. If you abuse it then its ruined...

 

[Melty Blood]

Wouldn't the title "Bullet penetration" be a little less... ambiguous

*Puts on pants of +1 penetration defense*

Sorry for contributing zilch.

 

[BaronAsh]

9mm is 1 of the most penetrating rounds ever. Haven't you heard about the multitude of events where a man was shot with a 9mm and stayed on his feet laying down UZI fire for another ten minutes? ( thats why the U.S. Army went back to 45cal.)

 

[REDPill357]

I think the penetration in CoD4 messed up the gameplay. CoD was always about advancing using cover. When they throw in penetration, though, it makes it harder to advance through cover. Over all, I don't like bullet penetration very much.

But this one Hentai game I played had GREAT penetration!

 

[Copter400]

Give me some .367, .45, or .50 rounds... If you want to get through body armor, puppies, or car doors, can't go wrong with the Desert Eagle .357, except they are too f**king expensive to field by any paramilitary, military, or civilian force.

Hah, at least you get guns. It's really hard to get a (legal) gun in Australia. I'm stuck here using a shovel and a hunting knife come the zombie apocalypse, and believe you me, you can't penetrate much with a shovel.

 

[General Mostly Electrified Steel]

Hah, at least you get guns. It's really hard to get a (legal) gun in Australia. I'm stuck here using a shovel and a hunting knife come the zombie apocalypse, and believe you me, you can't penetrate much with a shovel.

Well, there was that one snuff porno...

 

[LainiWeiz]

I think it's a good thing overall but like anything in games it needs to be implemented properly.
I recently rented Army of Two and was amazed at how average it was, one thing in particular stood out for me as something that shouldn't happen in a videogame in 2008, an enemy hid behind a wire mesh fence and despite being full of holes it provided superb cover.

Wooden walls, windows, mesh fence, these are all things I expect to be able to shoot through in a game these days.

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

The problem with my penetration would be.. euhm, I mean bullet penetration is the fact that it favors AI so much. I don't care if a game features it or not, but when I play cod4 and find out that the AI can shoot me with xray vision through pretty much anything except a rock makes me a sad panda.

 

[Sib]

Hah, at least you get guns. It's really hard to get a (legal) gun in Australia. I'm stuck here using a shovel and a hunting knife come the zombie apocalypse, and believe you me, you can't penetrate much with a shovel.

Well, there was that one snuff porno...

NONONONONONONO, keep it away!

but to OP - the one thing i hate about games is the inconsistency of the penetration system (giggles) for example in cod4 a couple days ago i was shot through no less than 4 full stone walls and in the previous game i couldnt shoot through a tiny metal fence...

 

[KefZ_X]

Sorry I thought this was about somthing else.......

Anyway I think the bullet penetration is taken a little too far in COD4

p.s what zombie apocalypse? did I miss somthing?

 

[Sniper_Zegai]

For the most part I hate the penetration system, in CoD4 its used well but most of the time its used to get cheap kills. I understand why some people want it but my experience with it is usually bad.

 

[werepossum]

I like a realistic penetration system, but it has to be consistent or it actually reduces immersion. There is a great doctrinal/tactical difference between cover and concealment; I like the differentiation, but it has to work consistently, including for AI characters.

Yeah, Australia has become the great nanny state, but the USA too is fast heading in that direction. I personally don't trust a government with guns if it won't trust me with guns, but too many people are looking for the triple-breasted woman.

 

[x434343]

Worked in CoD4, worked in Crysis, worked in R6V2. They work.