Poll: How good is the Battlefield 3 Single-Player Campaign?

Blade1130

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I just beat the Single-Player for BF3, and frankly I didn't like it in the least. What do you guys think? I'm not trying to rip on BF3 saying MW is all that much better because I honestly don't really like MW either, but seriously, is the campaign good, bad, indifferent, what?

I just beat the campaign, which is kind of sad only two days after release, and I was at school both days, and had other stuff going on. I did not have that much time yet still beat this game in roughly 5 hours at my best guess. (Anyone know how to look up that time? Cause I wanna know for sure.) And I gotta say, the campaign really sucks to me. Apart from being extremely short, the quick time events were annoying and bad (I was playing PC, QTEs don't work there at all), the game wouldn't let me do anything but hide in cover occasionally popping out and shooting. Hell, the game said I was leaving the level whenever I tried to run up and engage close quarters.

I'm asking myself right now, "What was a cool level, which is my favorite?", the only levels I can remember AT ALL is the 1st level on the train and the pointless jet level which I only remember because of how pointless it was. That entire level was just a sightseeing tour with occasional "X" button pushing plus some point and clicking on airplanes. One thing that bugged me was all the hand to hand fights going on, none of which were at all interesting. The only ones I can remember now would be the one where you throw the guy in front of the train, and the other where you throw him off a staircase, even though there must be a dozen or so of these fights. All of them involved beating the guy to the ground and stabbing/hitting/kicking him with something, which is frankly boring. What they needed to do was perhaps (for the fight next to a moving train) have your character gets his head slammed into the train as it's moving or have you on the ground with your head over the edge as the train's coming. Something to add tension other than winning the fight, then grabbing the loser and throwing him onto the tracks.

In terms of plot, the entire thing is basically MW2 meets 24 meets Black Ops:
The entire story is told in the form of flashbacks with occasional body-jumping to other characters, basically, everything but the last level has already happened and this is simply the retelling of it. While there's nothing wrong with this, if if sounds familiar, that's because it is the same premise as Black Ops, likely down to a copied log-line. Not only that, but it's executed much worse by being in a situation in which the character is in no danger. In Black Ops you didn't know who was torturing you, didn't know what they were after, didn't know where you were and most of all, WERE BEING TORTURED. Here you are being politely asked by your superior officers to recount the last few days events.

My biggest problem is the point roughly 4 - 4 and a half hours into the game, (near the end, in case you weren't sure) where a Russian KGB agent asks you to help him find a stolen nuke before it is detonated in New York to stop the U.S. from thinking Russia is attacking and going to war with them, even though the U.S. military already knows the nuke was stolen and knows that Russia is not behind it. Aside from the obvious 24 similarities, isn't this pretty much the same thing as "No Russian" in MW2? Except then the terrorists won and this time they don't? Evil terrorist wants to start WW3 for no reason and tries to get U.S. and Russia to go to war. Worst of all, your commanding officer walks in, and the Russian spy asks you to kill him so you and he can stop the nuke without being detained and questioned by the CO. You are forced to shoot him in a cutscene like situation where you cannot move or look anywhere, only shoot. However, this situation was badly communicated and I was confused, resulting in me NOT shooting and getting killed by a man who had no reason to pull the trigger, killing a teammate and an unarmed surrendering enemy. Not only does it make no sense, it also means I lost to the game's plot, probably the most embarrassing death yet. Not only that, I died at least 4 times at this point, I don't know if it was buggy or what, but I couldn't shoot him. Eventually, I quit and later came back to it and was able to pull the trigger, but dying 4 times to the plot is just sad...

Even after this, the game disappoints further when the guy you've been hunting the whole time is revealed to be a spy working for the CIA. OK, fine I guess I didn't expect that, problem is, everyone is convinced this guy is just trying to hold his cover and won't detonate the nuke, even though he has been out of contact the entire time and in the end STILL goes for the nuke until you kill him. WTF? What was the point of making him turn out to be a spy if he's STILL the bad guy? See if I was captured and he saved me and explained the situation followed by us going out to kill the real enemy that could've worked. But in this case, "Oh no, he's not evil, he's a spy working for us. Oh wait no, he's evil, please kill him." Why did you say he was a spy at all then?

On top of this, one (not really important but still annoying) thing is right at the end when you get in a fist fight with the big bad guy in Times Square trying to prevent the nuke. Why doesn't ANYONE try to help you? I mean you have 2 uniformed military soldiers, one of whom has been shot, fighting a very shady civilian with a bag that keeps beeping. I don't know about you, but I think I would help out the soldiers in that case. Again, not that important, but kind of annoying...

Anyways, there's all my bitching for the time. I'll add something else if I remember it, but what did you guys think? Good, bad, worse, terrible, god awful, horrible, vomit-inducing? Ok, maybe I should have put in some more good options there. And I'm only talking about the Single-Player campaign here, I haven't tried the Co-Op yet and the multi-player is another discussion I don't want to bring up here.

TL;DR: I didn't like the BF3 SP Campaign, what do you think?
 

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Of the shooter campaigns I've played, BF 3's probably doesn't make my top 10 list. In no way, however, is it necessarily bad; I've just gotten past the tank mission, and I'm enjoying myself, if not for just the visuals and the environments. Yes, it's a generic modern war shooter story, but, as others have mentioned, I didn't buy BF 3 for the story. I mean, the only reason I started playing the campaign was to tide myself over while my 36-hour bandwidth restriction (which I received while downloading the game) here at college winds its way back down.
 

Zhukov

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The single player is crap. Good looking crap, but still crap.

Mostly because it's drowning in its own scripting.

They were trying really, really hard to be Call of Duty and didn't even get to that level of quality, let alone make something good.
 

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Haven't bought the game yet, but it seems the popular opinion is that the main campaign is shit, and the heart of the game is in the multiplayer.

Which brings up the question, if Dice is just going to release a sub-par single-player that no one is going to play if they have the option, then why include it? Just think of all the wasted resources that could have been pumped into making the multiplayer better, as in: more maps, more vehicles, classes, weapons, etc. Instead they were used to make a single player campaign that just isn't worth it.
 

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It's pretty glitchy, but I'm sure that'll get fixed with upcoming patches. It also is short, ridiculously so. I'm already done with it and I got the game last night (3-4 hours). The tank and especially the jet missions are a hell of a good time, but I wish they were a bit longer. The AI has that classic aiming bullshit where EVERYONE on screen knows exactly where you are the second you pull the trigger. They are also ridiculously accurate leading to many frustrating deaths.

The multiplayer chugs a bit at times, but it's mostly pretty damn awesome. You can hear jets whizzing over your head, and gunshots from a distance. It really feels like you are a small part in a big battle. I like it for the map size and tension, but I have experienced quite a few server time-outs and lag. There is also a bit of texture pop in and screen tearing on all modes, but I'm sure it's much smoother on PC.
 

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Sober Thal said:
I haven't bought it since I hear the campaign is mediocre at best...

Are there at least some good challenge map type things to play split screen or solo after the story??
There's no challenge maps for the single-player, unless you just ramp up the difficulty and play normally I guess. Although, I haven't done the Co-Op and looking at the interface it seems like the Spec-Ops from MW2, basically, not a coherent campaign but independent levels which I GUESS would act like challenge maps. Again, haven't done it, but that's what it looks like to me.

darkstone said:
Which brings up the question, if Dice is just going to release a sub-par single-player that no one is going to play if they have the option, then why include it?
I've wondered about this myself, most REALLY good single-player games are just single player: Half-Life, Deus Ex, BioShock, Mass Effect. While most REALLY good multi-player games are also exclusively multiplayer: Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead (sort of), Battlefield 2. Why split your resources into two bad parts of your game, rather than make one good part?
 

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I know this is a Battlefield 3 thread so I guess I'm calling fire down on me but I didn't want to make a thread about it

Speaking of Battlefield 3's SP, how has the single-player bit of Medal of Honor (the latest one) held up? Would it be worth a buy for the SP alone?

As for Battlefield 3, I've only had limited experience with it, mainly in multiplayer and watching a bit of single. It looked beautiful on the PS3 but it's difficult for me to differentiate between friend and foe. MP used text-color which isn't enough for me really.
 

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Judging the SP campaign on Battlefield is like judging the plot Pong.

This is NOT the selling point of the game, period. And I don't give a toss what Yatzhee made You think. No, seriously, stop quoting this post and yaping about the SP, becouse Battlefields were never, and never will be about single player, never. Bad Companys were the only Battlefields that had a single player campaign, and those were spinoff console games ported to the PC. It's a bonus, nothing more.

But still it's sad that DICE is getting punished for adding a SP mode into the game. People amaze me still.
 

Blade1130

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vermin_ said:
Judging the SP campaign on Battlefield is like judging the plot Pong.

This is NOT the selling point of the game, period. And I don't give a toss what Yatzhee made You think.

But still it's sad that DICE is getting punished for adding a SP mode into the game. People amaze me still.
Has Yahtzee said something about this? If he has I missed it, oh well. Regardless, if DICE adds it into the game that means that they are taking resources away from the multiplayer and Co-Op. As darkstone already pointed out:
darkstone said:
If Dice is just going to release a sub-par single-player that no one is going to play if they have the option, then why include it?
Not only does this take attention away from other parts of the game, it also is a selling point of the game that is fairly bad. Part of that $60 spent is for the single-player campaign, whether you play the thing or not. I didn't get the game for the single-player either, but none-the-less, it's there, and it should be good or not be there at all. i.e. Portal 2 was originally going to have a competitive multi-player mode, ya know why it doesn't? Because it would be a crap multi-player. Valve tried it, decided it would be impossible to make fun, and dropped it. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should.
 

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It is a fantastic SP game to rent. Not buy. I will never want to play it again, but it was a really fun few hours.
 

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The dogfighting/flying part is by far the most entertaining section of a FPS single player I've played in a long, long time.

But the whole SP together is kind of a disappointment, with random and ultimately pointless 'reveals' such as near the end with the whole 'he's on our side, but either way he is evil anyways so kill him' thing. No one part of the story is 'bad' per say, but none of it adds up, and I'm still not sure how it actually ended, it felt like a cliffhanger, no definitive answer.

The similarities to COD Black Ops are disappointing to, but to its credit BF3's campaign isn't completely the same, and it has some interesting elements, but it obviously got very little overall attention as far as resources go. Hopefully the CO-OP is just as entertaining as the MP, haven't tried it yet.
 

Blade1130

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ParkerBaby said:
The dogfighting/flying part is by far the most entertaining section of a FPS single player I've played in a long, long time.
Really? I'm surprised you found the jet level that entertaining. I realized I was just staring out a window for 5 minutes before stuff started happening and then I just found myself pushing "X" from time to time and clicking on planes when they flew in front of me. Maybe I would've liked it better if I had control of the plane, or maybe I just got bored after they popped flares and flew away for the twelfth time.
 

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Blade1130 said:
vermin_ said:
Judging the SP campaign on Battlefield is like judging the plot Pong.

This is NOT the selling point of the game, period. And I don't give a toss what Yatzhee made You think.

But still it's sad that DICE is getting punished for adding a SP mode into the game. People amaze me still.
Has Yahtzee said something about this? If he has I missed it, oh well. -snip-
Basically Yahtzee said in one of his early review, halo 3 I think, that a game shouldn't have to lean on multiplayer to make it good. Basically if a game has both single and multiplayer, you should be able to cut out the multiplayer and still justify the sale of the singleplayer campaign for 60 dollars.
 

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vermin_ said:
But still it's sad that DICE is getting punished for adding a SP mode into the game. People amaze me still.
Well, when that SP mode is subpar and the development time could've been better spent on the main focus, why shouldn't people question them?
 
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Amnestic said:
vermin_ said:
But still it's sad that DICE is getting punished for adding a SP mode into the game. People amaze me still.
Well, when that SP mode is subpar and the development time could've been better spent on the main focus, why shouldn't people question them?
Because the main focus was obviously the multiplayer?

Which, by the way, is perfectly fine, despite whatever nonsense Yathzee is spouting these days.
 

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Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
Amnestic said:
vermin_ said:
But still it's sad that DICE is getting punished for adding a SP mode into the game. People amaze me still.
Well, when that SP mode is subpar and the development time could've been better spent on the main focus, why shouldn't people question them?
Because the main focus was obviously the multiplayer?

Which, by the way, is perfectly fine, despite whatever nonsense Yathzee is spouting these days.
...no shit it's the multiplayer. I thought my post implied that, along with every other post in this thread.

And, by the way, it could be better. It could have more polish. It could have more maps. More guns. More vehicles. More anything. Instead they chose to spend a bunch of man hours on coding a subpar single player which is an albatross around the game's neck.
 

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i am disappointed
if that is the norm of today's modern shooter campaign then my claims about modern shooters have been true all along

it's the first modern shooter i am playing longer than 30 minutes
i played about 2h and 95% of the time i was either just watching the scene or doing exactly what i was ordered to do
it's not even a corridor game... it's more like a thin line you're getting pulled by
i'll be giving it another shot today but if the game is not going to open up a bit more it's going to be deinstalled
(visuals are pretty good though)

but the 30 minutes i spent with crysis 2 were far more enjoyable than these 2h
 

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Oh, this is going to kill me, but I voted for decent. All the trailers made it look like it'd be worth it, but so far I must admit I'm feeling let down. There have been some pretty fun moments, but it's just not turning out to be the zinger that I was hoping for. It just feels like another shooter to me, nothing special like it was saying it would be.
As for the multiplayer, I'm having flashbacks of Medal of Honor. Seeing as DICE made that game's multiplayer, that makes sense.