That was just a media scare. Turned out the guy wasn't on bath salts and was probably just crazy.rhizhim said:
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Nope, it certainly is. Wockhardt still do along with a few others. I was on it for the last 2 years (finished in March), and my neighbour for a few before that. Benefits of living in socialist EuropeThe Gnome King said:I don't even think it's prescribed anymore, ever. (Diamorphine, that is.) Nobody manufacturers it, Roche was the last pharmaceutical company to bother with it and that was only in Switzerland.
As for long-term opiate users, I'll have to respectfully disagree. I have several long-term opiate users that are family members or in other ways very close to me, they are wealthy and they get *exactly* what they want from their doctors and... it's still not much of a life. Again, this is my subjective opinion. Doing as much pure, pharmaceutical grade morphine or heroin as you desire if you're an addict is certainly the *least harmful* way to be an addict, though I wouldn't say it's a fantastic life. Especially for the addict. (Though certainly more convenient to society than incarceration.)
Even most heroin addicts who are getting exactly what they want usually won't wax too rhapsodic about their lifestyle, this I've noticed as well. It's generally not something we want for our kids.
Though on the other hand... William Burroughs. He managed to live a fairly productive heroin-fueled life.
Unfortunately, prescribing diamorphine is rare so I have 3 examples for that as opposed to a fuck of a lot of methadone and subutex cases and so I can't give any kind of statistically valid evidence but 2/3 of us prescribed diamorphine are doing fine. Employed, flat, car, good qualifications.
As for the others? Primarily spend most of their money and time trying to scrape enough cash together for gear. Once you know you have a guaranteed pharmaceutical source every day from your local pharmacist that you can pay for in nice bite-size chunks or get it free if you are unemployed then suddenly all those associated worries (having enough money, will dealer X be around, will they have anything in, will it be a weak batch, the cops, finding a vein, associating with the kind of cunts that you will inevitably find in that social circle etc) disappear and you can get on with all the other stuff you would like to do.
Unfortunately the longer you spend in that kind of company/culture, the more everything else you want to do erodes. Again, this is primarily anecdotal, subjective and just my opinion (although shared by a lot of the drug treatment professionals and academics, if you have access to uni library then check out: http://www.addictionjournal.org/) but if people don't respond to other treatments then the quicker you get them onto diamorphine, the better.
Who exactly does wax rhapsodic about their lifestyle? Most people on here seem like a right bunch of miserable fucks, but then I suppose we do have a high teenage demographic
I'll give you the second sentence.
He did. Again, I'm not saying "oh yeah diamorphine is great, everyone should be doing it", I'm saying it is perfectly possible to live a decent life on it and in my experience those who are on it and had the start in life that would have gone on to do well in life anyway have done so thanks to being prescribed it.
Ah, fascinating, I didn't know it was still manufactured at all!Zykon TheLich said:Nope, it certainly is. Wockhardt still do along with a few others. I was on it for the last 2 years (finished in March), and my neighbour for a few before that. Benefits of living in socialist EuropeThe Gnome King said:I don't even think it's prescribed anymore, ever. (Diamorphine, that is.) Nobody manufacturers it, Roche was the last pharmaceutical company to bother with it and that was only in Switzerland.
As for long-term opiate users, I'll have to respectfully disagree. I have several long-term opiate users that are family members or in other ways very close to me, they are wealthy and they get *exactly* what they want from their doctors and... it's still not much of a life. Again, this is my subjective opinion. Doing as much pure, pharmaceutical grade morphine or heroin as you desire if you're an addict is certainly the *least harmful* way to be an addict, though I wouldn't say it's a fantastic life. Especially for the addict. (Though certainly more convenient to society than incarceration.)
Even most heroin addicts who are getting exactly what they want usually won't wax too rhapsodic about their lifestyle, this I've noticed as well. It's generally not something we want for our kids.
Though on the other hand... William Burroughs. He managed to live a fairly productive heroin-fueled life.
Unfortunately, prescribing diamorphine is rare so I have 3 examples for that as opposed to a fuck of a lot of methadone and subutex cases and so I can't give any kind of statistically valid evidence but 2/3 of us prescribed diamorphine are doing fine. Employed, flat, car, good qualifications.
As for the others? Primarily spend most of their money and time trying to scrape enough cash together for gear. Once you know you have a guaranteed pharmaceutical source every day from your local pharmacist that you can pay for in nice bite-size chunks or get it free if you are unemployed then suddenly all those associated worries (having enough money, will dealer X be around, will they have anything in, will it be a weak batch, the cops, finding a vein, associating with the kind of cunts that you will inevitably find in that social circle etc) disappear and you can get on with all the other stuff you would like to do.
Unfortunately the longer you spend in that kind of company/culture, the more everything else you want to do erodes. Again, this is primarily anecdotal, subjective and just my opinion (although shared by a lot of the drug treatment professionals and academics, if you have access to uni library then check out: http://www.addictionjournal.org/) but if people don't respond to other treatments then the quicker you get them onto diamorphine, the better.
Who exactly does wax rhapsodic about their lifestyle? Most people on here seem like a right bunch of miserable fucks, but then I suppose we do have a high teenage demographic
I'll give you the second sentence.
He did. Again, I'm not saying "oh yeah diamorphine is great, everyone should be doing it", I'm saying it is perfectly possible to live a decent life on it and in my experience those who are on it and had the start in life that would have gone on to do well in life anyway have done so thanks to being prescribed it.
"Doing fine" again, is subjective. What I notice is what you said, "Unfortunately the longer you spend in that kind of company/culture, the more everything else you want to do erodes."
Though I'll admit there are people prescribed opiates who go on to lead what could be called productive lives. Are they as productive as they would be without the opiate addiction and are these people usually happy to be opiate addicts? Again, I'd have to say that my experience has been "no" and "no" ... though the best medical treatment we currently have for these people, are, I believe, either treatment with psychedelics such as Ayahuasca - I've seen, myself, amazing results with live-long opiate addicts in their 40's experience life-changing sessions in clinics that work with Ayahuasca... though for the large majority of people, right now, the best we can do is "harm reduction" - provide them with clean versions of what they want. They'll either go on to be as productive as they can be in that state - and that might mean a car, a job, and a house - or they might find themselves just kind of existing, waiting every day for their fix and finding their daily thoughts organized around the drug experience. Some people even do both - they manage to work and own a car and keep a house but they wouldn't say they are living up to their fullest potential.
For me, that's what life has always been about, personally. Just living up to my fullest potential. Addiction to opiates doesn't fit into that goal, for me personally.
Absolutely, as is "doing well", people prioritise different things.The Gnome King said:
Yes, spending time amongst the people who spend the whole time struggling to scrape enough for ten bag certainly does change you. Which is why not having to have anything to do with them is so beneficial. Why have anything to do with them when you can get 1/4 gram of 100% pure pharmaceutical grade diamorphine from Boots every day? There's a difference between being an opiate addict and being part of the culture and in my experience it's the culture that brings people down.
True, but then you'd probably be more productive without video games, fast food, TV etc etc etc. Who can honestly say they truly live life to their "full potential" or even wants to? Hell, hanging around on the internet is holding me back far more than being on prescription opiates ever did.
As for pleased to be a heroin addict? Academically no, you know that "addiction is bad" but 240mg of diamorphine a day makes sure you're happy as Larry anyway. Wake up...120mg *ping* bounce off to work, enjoy work thoroughly, come home, food, 120mg *ping* bounce around the house doing all that everyday living stuff, go out to see your friends etc. It doesn't feel like an addiction, it's just something you do every day, I felt as bad about it as I do having a cup of tea every morning. Only reason I gave it up was because I decided I wanted to do something that would be hard to do while on diamorphine. Am I any happier now? Not particularly, I was doing what I wanted to do back then and I'm doing what I want to do now, both are equally satisfactory, although neither would do if I wanted the other.