Poll: Jim sterling VS Extra credits

[Waffle_Man]

I donated to that under the assumption that EC would stay on the escapist.....

Fair enough. I don't know enough about the debacle to debate one way or the other, but it is nice to have a reason beyond "screw those guys!"

When I'm talked down to practically every EC episode like I'm a fucking 5 year old? Yes, the open hostility is warranted. Jim does it for the rise it gets out of people. The EC crew are just pretentious.

It hardly seems fair to judge a show that was trying to make issues understandable to someone who wasn't necessarily acquainted with them. Aside from this, can you tell me any actual examples of them being pretentious? It is a subjective term, but I having trouble thinking of any moments that would fit any definition that I know of.

 

[Dandark]

I liked EC and watch some of their more interesting episodes when I can but I like Jim better, he usaully ends up addressing the point better IMO

 

[CAPTCHA]

I've not watched the episodes in question, but in general I think that EC stands up better when put under a PROMPT analysis. Note that this is not about how entertaining they are, but each shows reliability.

Presentation: E.C use an even and easily understood tone to convey their message while Jim rants and slurs a lot, sacrificing clarity for a sense of personal voice.

Relevance: They both produce material about games. /shrug

Objectivity: While both have a bias, I think that E.Cs is the more open and honest here, although they want gaming to be considered a serious medium and as such they present their facts with some grandosity. They also tend to sugercoat negitive arguments, but at least they present them in some form or another. Jim on the other hand I feel is a little corrupt. I belive that his agenda is for sale to a certain degree as he often plugs individual games. This makes me question whether or not his opinions are his own or created for page views or regulated by his producer.

Method: E.C have a definate academic approach to what they produce. Jim seems to have no real method beyond opinion which is impossible to argue with or quantify.

Provenance: E.C show sources and they are open with the fact that they are industry professionals first, journalist second. Jim does neither of these but again it comes down to the fact that he produces opinion pieces. He is his own source and he has no apparent qualities that elevate this.

Timeliness: Since they both produce articles on a regular basis they can both be considered timely.

 

[evilneko]

Am I the only one who likes EC? It's pretty much the only high-level discussion show that exists about games.

You're never the only one.

I like Extra Credits' academic approach to games and think most people just parrot the "pretentious" line without really understanding it.

 

[Rawne1980]

Biased opinion incoming.

I disliked EC when they were here and I still dislike them now.

Jim is British therefore I instantly like him .... plus he makes me giggle.

I can't honestly think of one good thing to say about the EC lot so i'm not even going to attempt it.

As such I didn't watch said episode so will just have to go with Jim's idea.

 

[DustyDrB]

I don't dislike Extra Credits, I just think they are kind of inoffensive and preach to the choir too much. Jim's got more bite, and actually calls out the groups that need to be called out.

 

[Indecipherable]

Jim is opinionated, prepared to get worked up into a very welcome nerd rage, and funny. He knows and is comfortable with the persona and while I don't agree with him on everything, that isn't totally his point. He doesn't come across as genuinely believing he's right about everything, though he'll joke that he is. Thank God for Jim.

EC speak down and talk as if they are the fountain of truth on the matter. Also, they are wrong. Their section on investors and finance made me want to punch them in the mouth because every word they said was complete fabricated bullshit that even the smallest amount of research would show. So basically I don't give a crap. I've watched maybe just 1 or 2 in the last year, and those were utter rubbish, so whatever.

Again, thank God for Jim.

 

[Elamdri]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't everyone like HATE Jim Sterling when his show first started. In fact, I distinctly remember multiple "God Jim Sterling sucks" threads about that time. What happened?

 

[BreakfastMan]

Wow. When did everyone start saying the EC was pretentious? I swear, this did not exist when they were still here. Connection? You decide!

OT: I like both. Jim, for his more opinionated take on things. EC, for their more academic approach to things. When I watch a Jim video, I feel like I just watched a well constructed rant. When I watch an EC video, I feel like I just watched a well constructed short lecture/opinion piece. Different stokes, I guess. :/ But then again, I don't have an insane hostility to apposing views that many have. I fact, I rather like hearing another person's take on something. So... take from that what you will.

 

[80Maxwell08]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't everyone like HATE Jim Sterling when his show first started. In fact, I distinctly remember multiple "God Jim Sterling sucks" threads about that time. What happened?

Yes they did then he listened and changed his show.

Wow. When did everyone start saying the EC was pretentious? I swear, this did not exist when they were still here. Connection? You decide!

OT: I like both. Jim, for his more opinionated take on things. EC, for their more academic approach to things. When I watch a Jim video, I feel like I just watched a well constructed rant. When I watch an EC video, I feel like I just watched a well constructed short lecture/opinion piece. Different stokes, I guess. :/ But then again, I don't have an insane hostility to apposing views that many have. I fact, I rather like hearing another person's take on something. So... take from that what you will.

Actually there was quite a bit of people that didn't like them when they were here for many of the same reasons listed here. I remember seeing the "talking down to" posts quite a bit.

 

[Elamdri]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't everyone like HATE Jim Sterling when his show first started. In fact, I distinctly remember multiple "God Jim Sterling sucks" threads about that time. What happened?

Yes they did then he listened and changed his show.

Wow. When did everyone start saying the EC was pretentious? I swear, this did not exist when they were still here. Connection? You decide!

OT: I like both. Jim, for his more opinionated take on things. EC, for their more academic approach to things. When I watch a Jim video, I feel like I just watched a well constructed rant. When I watch an EC video, I feel like I just watched a well constructed short lecture/opinion piece. Different stokes, I guess. :/ But then again, I don't have an insane hostility to apposing views that many have. I fact, I rather like hearing another person's take on something. So... take from that what you will.

Actually there was quite a bit of people that didn't like them when they were here for many of the same reasons listed here. I remember seeing the "talking down to" posts quite a bit.

You know, I keep seeing people say that they "Talk down to" their viewers, but not a whole lot of examples of aforementioned behavior...

 

[BreakfastMan]

Wow. When did everyone start saying the EC was pretentious? I swear, this did not exist when they were still here. Connection? You decide!

OT: I like both. Jim, for his more opinionated take on things. EC, for their more academic approach to things. When I watch a Jim video, I feel like I just watched a well constructed rant. When I watch an EC video, I feel like I just watched a well constructed short lecture/opinion piece. Different stokes, I guess. :/ But then again, I don't have an insane hostility to apposing views that many have. I fact, I rather like hearing another person's take on something. So... take from that what you will.

Actually there was quite a bit of people that didn't like them when they were here for many of the same reasons listed here. I remember seeing the "talking down to" posts quite a bit.

You must have been looking in different places than me then. I saw those posts then about as often as I see "Jim teh sux0r" posts now. :/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't everyone like HATE Jim Sterling when his show first started. In fact, I distinctly remember multiple "God Jim Sterling sucks" threads about that time. What happened?

He improved, honestly. He got much, much better the longer he went on. He learned how to better write his character, he learned how to better present his opinions, the whole she-bang.

 

[Brad Shepard]

I demand a "neither" option!

dangit i was ninjaed before i even opened the thread.

Ok, someone needs to tell me what went down where the EC people left this fine site, because im confused as hell.

 

[BreakfastMan]

Extra Credits on the other hand? Fuck EC. Thats all I am saying.

At least Jim isn't pretentious as all fuck.

The guys at EC are so far up their own asses it's unbelievable. Their "gaming is the wave of the future!" attitude grates on my nerves.

Did I miss the part where EC decided to start stealing people's lunch money? There are definitely reasons to dislike Extra Credits, but does it warrant such hostility?

Yes. Yes it does. Extra Credits is more than a show you dislike. Extra Credits its one of those things. Their pretentious, artsy bullshit gets on every bodies nerves. Well, almost every body. Those few people who sit their screaming "B-b-but video games will never be taken seriously! Wahhh!" love them.

Well, as someone who loves the show, that is quite needlessly insulting. "Oh no, people enjoy something I do not! Better make massive, offensive generalizations about them! That will certainly get me and my point taken seriously!"

Another thing: Jim Sterling is a gamer. Extra Credits are games journalists. Big difference.

Except for the fact that Jim is an actual games journalist. And James is a professional game designer.

 

[drednoahl]

Jim is opinionated, prepared to get worked up into a very welcome nerd rage, and funny. He knows and is comfortable with the persona and while I don't agree with him on everything, that isn't totally his point. He doesn't come across as genuinely believing he's right about everything, though he'll joke that he is. Thank God for Jim.

EC speak down and talk as if they are the fountain of truth on the matter. Also, they are wrong. Their section on investors and finance made me want to punch them in the mouth because every word they said was complete fabricated bullshit that even the smallest amount of research would show. So basically I don't give a crap. I've watched maybe just 1 or 2 in the last year, and those were utter rubbish, so whatever.

Again, thank God for Jim.

Pretty much this for me. I don't always agree with Jim Sterling, but he has remained straight and down to earth while most gaming commentators have become another tool for the gaming industry's marketing dept to exploit. What was the review score Jim Sterling gave Assassin's Creed 2 again? Now I didn't agree with his review, but I do agree that an average game should get an average score

To be honest though, I prefer Jim Sterling in Podtoid.

I don't bother with EC or PA any more because I don't think they're on "my side."

 

[BreakfastMan]

Well, as someone who loves the show, that is quite needlessly insulting. "Oh no, people enjoy something I do not! Better make massive, offensive generalizations about them! That will certainly get me and my point taken seriously!"

Its not insulting at all. Dont be so silly.

And I dont like Extra Credits, so I dont give a fuck about my point being taken seriously. Take it seriously, dont, take it out for a romantic candle light dinner, whatever.

Oh, don't BS me. You meant for that to be insulting, and you damn well know it. What the hell else was I supposed to get out of a line like "Their pretentious, artsy bullshit gets on every bodies nerves. Well, almost every body. Those few people who sit their screaming "B-b-but video games will never be taken seriously! Wahhh!" love them.", eh? That you respectfully disagree with the people who enjoy the show?

Also, if you did not care your point to being taken seriously, why are you doing what you do next, rephrasing your point to more efficiently get it across? Essentially, taking the time so the point can be taken seriously?

Except for the fact that Jim is an actual games journalist. And James is a professional game designer.

Alright, let me rephrase that: Jim is a traditional games journalist/what a games journalist should be. Extra Credits are a modern version of that. The difference between the two is Jim reviews games and industry standards from a regular players point of view and is not afraid to call bullshit out.

Extra Credits, on the other hand, are the complete opposite. No matter what happens, you bet they will defend publishers. If defending them is completely irrational, who cares? Just say "art" and "seriously" a few times and a legion of fans will follow into the abyss.

Again, BS. They don't take the pubs side on everything. More often than not, they take the devs side. Big frakking difference. Would someone who constantly defends pubs make an entire game about the benefits of crowd-sourcing?

 

[Baralak]

In general, I prefer Extra Credits, but I love both shows. I love, as other people have said, their academic approach to their show. I feel like they're always wanting gaming's best interests, and willing to explore the potential of a lot of the new technology and concepts that gaming have brought about.

Their shows always seem well thought out, and even if I disagree with them sometimes, they always put out their opinions in a well-thought out, even handed way. I honestly don't get where the cries of "Pretentious!" comes from. I've never once felt insulted by the way they do their show, or felt talked down to.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

I prefer Jim Sterling. The Extra Credits guys are a little too far into the pretentious artsy snob category for me to want anyone to listen to them. A lot of the stuff they support I oppose also.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I got burned out on EC and the whole "games can be so much more" thing. Jim is certainly not a journalist (not meant as an insult, he is just too biased and wears his heart on his sleeve), but he is a very entertaining pundit.

 

[him over there]

I really hated extra credits auto mute solution, I mean the ability to mute others from our tv is there, if people are assholes let them be so long as you don't have to here it. The only people listening are those that want to listen.

Taking Jim's side, EC is just so whiny and self serving, especially the way they over-idolize games. That whole missile command is an epic moral story episode is just awful.