Ryotknife said:
Oh that would be nice.
That would be so effing nice, and not just for gun control issue either. unfortunately i dont think we will see such a day anytime soon, both sides have become quite polar in the past decade. I would say we are in for more polar bullcrud for at least another 4 years.
When it comes to pro-gun, I think the key is to ask the individual gun owners a question. Specifically "what wouldnt you mind being passed"? As a general rule they may not be for any more gun control, but a lot of them woulndt be angry or mind such things such as (more) registration, background check, mental health checks, closing loopholes, that sort of thing. im generalizing of course.
It is unfortunate that both sides kinda feel that it is 100% victory or nothing in these issues.
Oh yes, the increasing radicalisation is a concern in all matters of politics and I think you are right with regards to the first step that needs to be taken. The end result in a situation that requires compromise will never be what either side wants, but the result that provides the most possible mutual satisfaction.
mastermaniac117 said:
The so-called "bad wording" of that section of the Constitution is in fact nothing more than today's poor education at work. It's a matter of stupid interpretation by stupid people who fail to understand the language of the day. In fact, I've read that the diaries of common rank-and-file, farm-raised Civil War soldiers utterly confound today's English majors.
I shouldn't have to tell you that, though. I don't. You already know. But I will anyway.
If you look at ANYTHING the so-called Founding Fathers EVER said, you will plainly see that not only did they wish for the people of America to be armed, they wanted citizens to be WELL armed.
Cards on the table, I don't give two fifths of a fuck what some American politicians thought two centuries ago. They were slave owning exeptionalists and their opinion is about as relevant as Edmund Barton's thoughts on race relations.
The reason for that is simple. America's formation as a country was little more than a fluke, a land grab, an exploitation. They had the task of holding on to a vast, pristine, largely unexplored land ripe with resources and opportunity. You might say America still has that task...
Yep, it sure is a shame that you don't have the worlds best funded military, both of the worlds two largest air forces the worlds largest navy and the second largest land force, before we even get to reserve numbers.
But you already know that. The whole anti-gun argument is essentially organized trolling.
Sweetheart, you are not that important, nobody gives a rats arse about your feelings and maybe, just maybe people have more concern for the safety of others than just pissing you off.
No. Fluffy talk, well-intentioned, but no. A key thing for both sides to realize is that the anti-gun side of the debate is woefully outmatched by proven data,
Yep a key stage in any debate is for everyone to agree with you, because that is how debates work. Also, every time I see 'proven data' it tends to be less 'proven' and more 'blindly accepted' I mean, if you were so bloody keen on your 'side' (because hey, there are ONLY TWO SIDES in this debate) having proven facts, why did you not stand up against the bullshit 'facts' about australia posted above?
and presses its point purely for complete personal satisfaction.
Because hey, if they were actually sincere, they would agree with you, because A-all pro legislation people are the same and B-That is totally how opinions work
The attitude is almost always "Oh, we'll show you! Enjoy your temporary gun rights!"
Yep, that's pro legislation types, right there in a nutshell, I personally said that when I made my last post, and twirled my mustache when I typed it.
There is no desire to compromise,
Yep, keep telling me what my desires are, and keep ignoring the dozens of posts made that basically amount to 'what can we agree on?'
and this entire argument has nothing to do with safety or protection at all.
Did you stop taking your meds or something, I mean there is a lot of paranoia coming out here.
Anti-gun types can't stand "common folk" having rights rights at all,
Okay, this pisses me off more than anything, I grew up poor, very fucking poor, my parents skipped meals so that we had enough money for us kids to eat, we had years where we put up a picture of a Christmas tree because we couldn't afford the real thing, we spent ages hunting for silver change behind the back of the couch because we were 50c off having our water cut off or being evicted so Fuck your idea that I am some commie chardonnay sipping elitist!
let alone the right to belittle them by owning a firearm.
So you just want to belittle people by owning a firearm, well not only does that speak against the almost sacred prominence you give that 'right' but it also invalidates your complainant, unfounded as it was in the first place, that people were trying to troll you.
mastermaniac117 said:
Yes, you incredible fool, I indeed said LARGELY UNEXPLORED. Crack open a book. It's good for you.
Yep, open with an insult, it is the best way to get people to listen to you.
"They wished for an America where a majority of the population could not vote?" No such thing at all. In fact, America pioneered women's rights
You lose to Armenia by 3 years, Australia by 18, Austria by 1, Azerbaijan by 2, Belorussia by 1, Canada by 3, Denmark by 5, Estonia by 3, Finland by 14, Georgia by 2, Germany by 2, Hungary by 2, Kyrgyzstan by 2, Latvia by 3, Lithuania by 2, Luxembourg by 1, the Netherlands New Zealand by
27 years Norway by 7, Poland by 3, Russia by 3, and Zimbabwe by 1. So no, while it is nothing to be ashamed of that the US was a few years late, they did not pioneer women's rights.
and was founded based on equality of all men.
Except for the natives, and Black people, and Gay people, and Atheists, and fuck those Catholics too.
America was the engine for that change. Just because it didn't BOOM suddenly happen does not invalidate the intent. Remember, black slaves were SOLD, not captured.
1700 , any slave who sets foot on British soil becomes free by law,
1761, Portugal bans slavery
1802, Denmark/Norway ban slavery
1807, Prussia bans serfdom
1810, Mexico bans slavery
1814, The Dutch ban it
1816, Estonia bans it
1822, the Greeks ban it
1831, Bolivia
1833, Slavery declared illegal across the British empire
1847, the ottomans
1847, the Swedes
1848, France frees the last french slaves
1853, Argentina
1854, Peru
1854, Venezuela
1855, Moldovia
1861, Russia
...1865, United states eliminates its slavery.
So all of your bullshit loopholes aside, the US was one of the last civilised nations to hold onto its slaves and I don't give a fuck who kidnapped them, it was still US citizens who were forcing them to work and beating them to death if they didn't.
Not that I'm an Ameri-phile. America has a lot of blood on its hands...but you know what, I dare say a LOT less than your European fantasyland,
Yep, it is true that Europe had literally more than a millennium head start but the US is doing a good job of catching up.
of where military takeovers and police states are the order of the day.
Lol and also what the fuck?! On top of that, I am Australian.
England is the greatest slime pit in the western Europe, and so far the loudest voice against guns.
because hey, you haven't made enough of a fool of yourself attacking people, might as well throw out nonsense against their nations as well.
1) We're allowed to own guns because we SHOULD. I'm not seeing any good reason we SHOULDN'T,
Well then you aren't fucking listening then are you.
and repeating "guns are so last century" makes you sound like the idiot you are if you think so.
yep, because society and geopolitics never change, and the US is still using its god given right to bear arms to drive natives off their land...
If you want to argue that I shouldn't, because my owning guns kills babies - right?
no not right you intolerable... over simplifier, the general ownership of firearms in the community provides an increased risk of innocent fatalities, or is that too much 'big city lernin speak' for you.
- then what have you to say regarding the fact that I protected myself, my wife, and my then 1 year-old son from a vicious, unrestrained dog using my gun?
that going by the nature of your posts and claims so far that it was probably a Labrador running up to say hello and also that anecdotes fall away into a sea of irrelevance in the grand scheme of things.
2) You used the phrase "score a headshot." Now I really AM leaning against videogames.
I have heard that same phrasing used on many a range.
In fact, your statement is pointless. You're defenseless. Good. That's great. Now make sure you don't marry or have kids, because if you're unwilling to do what is necessary to protect your partner and your children then you deserve neither. By all means.
because the only way to ensure your family's safety is to arm everybody regardless of their qualification to posses lethal force
3) And I laugh at everyone who doesn't understand what constitutes power. It's really pretty sad. Do you know WHY Democracy exists? I'll just leave that question open. In fact,
someone please tell me. Let's hear it. Why, in fact, does democracy exist?
Democracy came about through the advent of the middle class, people with skills and money, but no political sway. However, as time went on, 'the nation' became increasingly dependent on these people and this led to pressure to lend them more power. As time went on, the distinction between the classes began to fade and suffrage became more and more universal.
Also, most stable nations where a democratically elected government went all Orwell did so due to public support leaning towards increasing radicalization.