Poll: New forum rules - Yay or Nay?

randomsix

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Assuming that no one is perfect, this essentially puts a limited lifespan on any account. With "damage" being permanent, it seems like the goal is to eliminate people, not encourage good behavior.

It just seems a little old testament to me.

EDIT: just read the thing, as this is my first post since, and it seems that strikes are only permanent once you pass each threshold. So by the wording, there is a way to lose some of your warnings. I assume this is time based.
 

Teh Ty

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Testing these new rules...
Eh, they haven;t changed that much, just became a little more strict. But, of course, I'm going to say nay. I mean, Calling someone a troll is now an offense? Seriously.
 

SteewpidZombie

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If you are innocent yet people report you...then use common sense and take it up with the Escapist staff/admins themselves. All it takes is one report for them to go through and find your innocence and you should be good as new.
 

PrimoThePro

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Ya... I don't know how I feel about the health meter. Maybe make some way to decrease it when posting for a while? Or introduce stuff like Karma from other sites...
 

Chunko

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awesomeClaw said:
So, there´s been an update to the rules. If you haven´t seen it, it´ll come up when you try to post.

So anyway, what does the Escapist think of this new set of rules? Yay? Nay? Don´t care?!

Personally, i think the rules are just as good as usual, but the whole forum health meter thing sounds a little unfair. I mean, you can NEVER get strikes back? That sounds kinda impractical.

Let´s be hypothetical here: Let´s say a poster reaches the last zone before a ban, but decides he/she doesn´t like to be banned and stops acting like a twat. 9 months pass with plenty of posts and not a single infraction, but then, this poster makes one post that could be classified as offensive/jerkish etc. And they´re banned. I dunno. Just doesn´t sound fair to me.

I voted "Some yay". If they got rid of the "Forum health meter" i´d be good. I don´t think infractions should be measured in this way.
They should have your health regenerate over time. I feel like that would be a more fair system.
 

Canid117

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The Incredible Bulk said:
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I also got warned for a picture I posted that was NOT pornography. Yes, it was racy, but it was FAR from porn.
That happened to me once too. You know that duct tape demotivational with the girl in her underwear sitting in a chair? That is porn apparently.
Wow, how kinky. The picture I posted wasn't porn AT ALL. It was racy to be sure, but nowhere NEAR porn. Thus, I find it rather harsh.
Yeah it seems that there is a very conservative mod on the escapist somewhere. Or at least one who hates the sight of womens underwear.

Also are we not allowed to voice our displeasure at Captchas anymore?
Underwear is of the Devil, didn't you know? I hate the Captchas *looks around in fear*
Try as I might I could not find a picture of Satan on a pair of underwear and the results I was getting scared me away from trying.


Fronzel said:
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As for seeing warnings and probations get erased, currently it's not going to happen. We are holding people accountable for their actions and we feel 8 strikes is more than enough. 99.9% of the forum members don't have more than 2 warnings (if I'm not mistaken, 82% don't have any infractions). If people can't learn how to be respectful towards others and follow very simple rules, they won't be here for long. Everyone has a bad day but even off of the internet, if you do something stupid on that bad day, you are held accountable. The same goes for The Escapist forums.
I do agree with you, however I do feel it's a little harsh to NEVER forgive people for even the tiniest offenses.
That may change in the future BUT for now, everyone should think it isn't going to happen.
But we are such an idealistic bunch! And even if we shouldn't think it will change the negative reaction on this thread gives the impression that it will at least be a hot issue for a long time.
I'm starting to think they've deliberately rolled this out with the intention to introduce decay of naughty points later. Trying to soak up hate against the rule change (oh, excuse me, "update") then dispose of it so everything else slips in with less notice, like the punishment for the eighth mortal sin; ad-blockers.
GASP! What other horrid conspiracies could the mods be behind!
Do I even WANT a HINT as to what those results were?

No... No you do not...
 

Hoboape

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They seem ok but that health does seem a bit weird. Id prefer your idea of a timer on your warning (regenerating health if you will)
 

subtlefuge

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HG131 said:
subtlefuge said:
I find it a little disappointing and almost humorous that people assume this is sort of a rules "beta." I know for a fact that there was a lot of thought put into this system, and that the staff and mods have been discussing it for quite some time. Don't assume that things will radically change, or change at all.
Enough outcry, and maybe they will.
I'm sure things will eventually change, but that would be despite the outcry and not because of it.

Tons of people are perfectly content with the new system, they just are being quiet about it. The only ones making a fuss about this are the ones who are angry. You see a massive angry mob where there are really just a few people shouting really loud.
 

Kurokami

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awesomeClaw said:
So, there´s been an update to the rules. If you haven´t seen it, it´ll come up when you try to post.

So anyway, what does the Escapist think of this new set of rules? Yay? Nay? Don´t care?!

Personally, i think the rules are just as good as usual, but the whole forum health meter thing sounds a little unfair. I mean, you can NEVER get strikes back? That sounds kinda impractical.

Let´s be hypothetical here: Let´s say a poster reaches the last zone before a ban, but decides he/she doesn´t like to be banned and stops acting like a twat. 9 months pass with plenty of posts and not a single infraction, but then, this poster makes one post that could be classified as offensive/jerkish etc. And they´re banned. I dunno. Just doesn´t sound fair to me.

I voted "Some yay". If they got rid of the "Forum health meter" i´d be good. I don´t think infractions should be measured in this way.
Can always make a new account, and let's face it, you would have had to have been a jerk to get to that point in the first place.
 

Loop Stricken

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Can always make a new account, and let's face it, you would have had to have been a jerk to get to that point in the first place.
No, because that's against the rules.
 

Lancer723

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I lurk too heavily for this to really be a major concern.

Basically if you act like a dick you get banned.

Don't act like a dick, don't get banned.

Same as always.
 

Jaime_Wolf

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The lack of a term on punishments seems a bit gratuitous, why not just make the period exceedingly long? Every year without an infraction, kick people down a level. Surely that wouldn't be too bad. That said, moderation here is pretty good, so I don't expect to ever be on the wrong end of the rules, even if I do think they're too harsh.

The part I just don't understand, however, is how ad-blockers got lumped into "illegal or adult material". They are very definitely neither. I'd be okay with them saying that we shouldn't advocate for them or link to them because obviously it's best for the Escapist if people aren't using them, but lumping them in with "illegal or adult material" seems pretty hamfisted.
 

Therumancer

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awesomeClaw said:
So, there´s been an update to the rules. If you haven´t seen it, it´ll come up when you try to post.

So anyway, what does the Escapist think of this new set of rules? Yay? Nay? Don´t care?!

Personally, i think the rules are just as good as usual, but the whole forum health meter thing sounds a little unfair. I mean, you can NEVER get strikes back? That sounds kinda impractical.

Let´s be hypothetical here: Let´s say a poster reaches the last zone before a ban, but decides he/she doesn´t like to be banned and stops acting like a twat. 9 months pass with plenty of posts and not a single infraction, but then, this poster makes one post that could be classified as offensive/jerkish etc. And they´re banned. I dunno. Just doesn´t sound fair to me.

I voted "Some yay". If they got rid of the "Forum health meter" i´d be good. I don´t think infractions should be measured in this way.
The forum rules are fine, it's all common sense stuff you'd find anywhere from what I read.

I had an issue with the "health meter" this morning when I found out I was in the yellow right from the start, and spoke to Spinwhiz and got it straightened out, so they are being quite reasonable about it.

As far as not getting "strikes" back, well you'll find that most places with moderation keep track of your behavior, and act off the cuff. At least they're tracking this and creating a non-subjective standard instead of "some mod decided you needed a permaban".

I would like to see a system where strikes would erode after a period of time, especially seeing as you can't get badges when you hit yellow apparently, but I can also see how that could be abused. If it was a system like an employer used and your "points" disappeared after so long, then you might very well see users being obnoxious, waiting for a strike to come off, and then doing it again, and then if questioned about their routine behavior pointing to the health bar and go "har har, you can't ban me without making a joke out of your whole system" assuming the guy hadn't done something undeniably worth an insta-ban.

I try hard to be on my best behavior, so despite some initial alarm (which I won't go into detail on) I don't imagine having many problems under the current system.

Removing strikes would be a nice idea, but it would be tricky to implement in order to avoid abuse. I can't see a way to make it work. I don't plan to have any problems here, but with the time I put in on this site, I do admit the mere thought of getting irreversible marks and getting banned disturbs me... but what alternative is there if your going to keep order on the forums? I mean you have to do something, and if people don't take the moderation seriously, you might as well not have it, and I don't think anyone wants that kind of chaos.
 

Geo Da Sponge

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Jaime_Wolf said:
The lack of a term on punishments seems a bit gratuitous, why not just make the period exceedingly long? Every year without an infraction, kick people down a level. Surely that wouldn't be too bad. That said, moderation here is pretty good, so I don't expect to ever be on the wrong end of the rules, even if I do think they're too harsh.
Yeah, I wouldn't even mind having to wait a year to go down a single warning level. It's not that people really need to lower the level, I just don't much like the idea that the moderators never forgive anything.