Poll: Obesity: fat people or true illness?

ForrestDixon

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I think think that it can be defined either way. If you are looking at why they are like that you cannot blame one clear thing. Like if you had someone who's mom ate fast food every night (or almost every night) they are probably going to grow up bigger than most children. But if you look at a child's parents who are both personal trainers they are probably going to be more thin as well. I think that it can be an illness (there are some people who's brain cannot tall them they are full)but there are some people who may eat more than others or to much. There are many reasons but you cannot blame one clear reason for every person.



I have lost over 40 pounds 6 inches from my waist and can do six chin ups as well as pex pops. Its up to that person to get active and be willing to work to lose weight. Its up to you.
 

Naal

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I put down lifestyle choice.

Obese and fat people use the excuse it's all in their genetics. Well, some people (Like I) are built with a bigger bone structure, so in a way it is genetics... BUT! There is such thing as beating the system. Instead of using the excuse of bone structure, work out and eat right. So many people complain about their weight while they're grabbing a fistful of M&Ms and sitting in front of their computers.

The world doesn't expect all people to be stick thin, and not everyone is blessed with an amazing metabolism, so that's why we have to work harder.

Snack foods and lazy days are fine in moderation, but some people need to realize that too much of a good thing is bad.
 

Milkatron

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It's a combination. If you have a slower metabolism, you have to be more careful if you want to stay away from obesity. I have a high metabolism right now, so I can afford to be a little lackadaisical from time to time. But later on, I may to watch myself a little more.

Some people are just damn lazy, some have awful luck in genetics. That's the simplest way to put it.
 

Abedeus

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Where is the "I had to take anti-allergic shots and drugs that heavily slowed down my methabolism and made it had to lose weight" option?

Also, it can be genetic. My grandmother has been obese and died of heart attack, same goes for one of my grandfathers, my mother has a weight problem (not to big, she's quite slim everywhere except for the stomach) and my dad's barely thinner than me, but he's also a bit shorter.

I'm currently working out at the gym, trying to lose those kilograms. Oh, by the way - asthma also is a major reason many people are fat. It's not easy to run and play sports when you can't breathe after 1/3 of the normal person's time.
 

[Gavo]

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Inverse Skies said:
[Gavo said:
]Actually, I am considered "Obese" under the BMI scale. However, I'm only slightly chubby, I don't look fat, but no one would mistake me for the "bean sprout" body type. That's probably because I'm really tall. 6'4 and 235 pounds.

I think I have a really slow metabolism. Does anyone know any ways to speed it up?
Actually the preconception about overweight people having a 'slow' or 'worse' metabolism is false. Your metabolism is actually very efficient at converting the energy in food into ATP for use in the body as energy. Therefore more energy produced, more energy excess, more energy stored as fat.

Someone who is lean like myself has a very inefficient metabolism. They produce something known as 'uncoupling proteins' which stop ATP being produced and instead the energy is lost as waste heat, therefore they have less energy available to store as fat and are leaner.

You won't be able to do anything except eat well and exercise I'm sorry, if you want to lose weight.
Ah well, I'll just keep doing what I've been doing. Exercising and not eating shit.

On a separate note, how do you know so much about medical stuff? Are you in med school? I remember I did a thread about cancer research...
Inverse Skies said:
[Gavo said:
]What's the name of a job in which you research a cure for cancer? What's the pay like? Where can I find these jobs?

I'm very interested in this field, please contribute if you know.
You'll have to go to university I'm afraid, do a degree such as science or biomedical science for three years, then do honours (one of the professors at the uni will be doing research on cancer almost guaranteed). After honours you can do your PHD, and after you're a Dr you can continue to research cancer for a university or branch out a private company research team.

All up it's probably going to take you 6-7 years of study at uni to truly incorporate yourself into the field, so good luck.
Inverse Skies said:
Marbas said:
[Gavo said:
]What's the name of a job in which you research a cure for cancer? What's the pay like? Where can I find these jobs?

I'm very interested in this field, please contribute if you know.
The field is called Oncology specifically, it's a specialization you go into after med school.
Actually an oncologist does not research cancer, but diagnoses cases within hospitals and develops treatment regimens depending on what type of cancer it is and how far it has advanced. Univeristy staff and specialist centres are the ones who do the majority of cancer research.
You're pretty smart.
 

AndresCL

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Last year my aunt from Australia came to my country (I live in Latin America, wich in fact should be called Iberoamerica. I also hate when pepole call North America or America to USA, they are JUST A COUNTRY, not the ENTIRE continent, but thats another story). She is a very interesting woman with lot of stories to tell, so one day she started talking about fat issues of her country. She mentioned that pepole in general here looked way more thin than over there, but explained that because of the concern of the parents about it. Most of them are working and cannot cook for their childrens, so they have no choice but to eat junk food. So that is something that i love about my mother, she quit her job when she had her first daughter (my sister) so she could take care of us.

So i think it has multiple factors, concern of the fathers, genetics (because my mother had to quit sugar rich products and take some medicine) and enviorment (Mcdonalds and all that crap, wich im also proud about my fathers teaching me that junk food is bad and cooking healthy, fruit and salad rich, fish, etc are good.

So there we have another Dilema, Work v/s Family, but i guess that one is for another disscussion (hopefully not created by the same creater of this, i mind, chubby? what were you thinking)
 

Echolocating

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I'd wager that that about 95% of obese people could lose the weight if they just made it a priority. I worked out for a year a while back and was down to a mean 220lbs; I'm talking about a killer workout with sweat falling by the bucket loads, where them skinny shits couldn't even keep up with me. Now I've "worked" my way back up to 270lbs (at 6'2") again. ;-)

The working out part is great and all, but I've only found success when the workouts have been very tough. Like, break your will tough. Personally, I hated the process, but loved the results. I've tried working out at paces where I would sweat a good amount, but not strain too much and the results were negligible. Seriously, I don't care what you eat or how much, if you truly worked out like a maniac (for over an hour everyday), you'd drop the pounds. Trust me.

There's no way fatty genetics can withstand the awesome force of mind-numbing, intense workouts.
 

Archaon6044

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anyone from the UK see that "Why are Thin People not Fat?" show on the BBC?

summed up, they got a load of thin people, and made them eat 10 times the number of calories per day that they ate currently, and measured them every week.

they vertainly gained weight, but they didn't become fat
the conclusions they drew basicly said that fat people are pre-disposed to being fat, because back ye olde hunter/gatherer times, fat people were more likely to survive the lean times, but humanity hasn't managed to shake that off, despite us now living in a society were food is available at all times
 

Spudgun Man

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I'd say that there are the rare cases of one or two people who have an 'Illness' and the rest of the people who claim the illness use it as an excuse to eat more cake.
 

Lullabye

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Its genetic to a point.
Your body has a set weight point and you will naturally gain or lose weight until you hit that point.
But, you can still go over or under your point. I guaruntee you that if you weigh 300 pounds+ it's not genetics.
It could be an eating disorder, but thats more psychological than phsyiological.
Got it?
 

JDviewer

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When I was 18 I spent most of my time studying to get the grades to get into university. I didn't do any exercise at the time, and with three square meals a day and snacks I ended up becoming obese.

It was only when in university did I think about my own health and changed my diet and began exercising properly. Two years later and I've lost over two stone, and am hoping to lose at least another stone. Changing my lifestyle allowed me to become alot thinner and healthier.

I do believe that some people are more likely to become obese than others but also that their lifestyle is a major factor. People can bring it onto themselves with no-one else to blame but themselves.
 

Grimm91

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Most people admit that they are fat. People in denial say that they have a disease.
 

thiosk

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I prefer to be skinny. While all of modern medicine tries to convince us that fat people should be dying of heart attacks and related illnesses, fatties tend to have survival rates higher than skinny people. Thats why its called the obesity paradox; it should make you unhealthy, but it doesn't really seem to make you any unhealthier than anyone else.

Maybe its the higher levels of nutrition?

who knows

live and let live, I say.
 

Inverse Skies

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[Gavo said:
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Ah well, I'll just keep doing what I've been doing. Exercising and not eating shit.

On a separate note, how do you know so much about medical stuff? Are you in med school? I remember I did a thread about cancer research...
I do study medicine at uni, hence why any topics which make me call on said knowledge usually attract my attention and make me spurt forth what I know (usually in the form of lengthy posts).

I remember talking to a professor at uni who explained the pathways required to get into cancer research. He himself was studying trying to disrupt cancer cell communication by designing strands of RNA to lock onto their cell surface receptors which would be delivered by a micro-lipid solution. He liked it better than using proteins, because RNA strands are less bulky and easier to develop/deliver.

Myself I want to specialise in oncology... but they only take in 3-4 applicants a year into any speciality in this state, plus I'll actually have to be out and about in the workforce for a while before that happens... and I still have five years of uni left.

But yeah, sorry mate. Exercise is really the only way to go. I guy I play basketball with lost 30 kilos by exercising at the gym and eating... better (I remember him putting away 12 sausages and 3 hamburgers one night, that kid can eat) but he still keeps the weight down. Mind you he does a lot of exercise, but realistically its the only thing you can do.
 

Railu

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Railu said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Railu said:
Drug addicts turn to drugs to ease their pain, overweight people turn to food. Heroin addicts can quit and so can you.
If you quit food, you will die.

Why is it that the people who complain about fat people seem to always be so cruel and dumb?
You can live for 3 weeks without food. Some people can fast for longer than that.

Cut back to the bare minimum, wow, what a concept.
There's a "bare minimum" of heroin? You know a lot of people who were heroin addicts that have been able to reduce their use to a "bare minimum"?
lol, I love how you keep taking everything out of context. Are we talking about heroin now? I thought we were talking about overeating.

It reminds me of a layman's analogy I tried to make about how RAM improves the performance of a computer. I described it as how if you're moving out of your house, if you have one person to move the data and they can only carry a single box, it will take many trips. But if you have more, you don't need to make as many to get everything out of your house. Then he interrupted me and said 'but if you have too many people they will start bumping into each other and nothing will get done!' I wanted to say to him 'Then you better not get too much or your data will start bumping into each other!'

Later I learned that people responded better to the 4-lane versus 2-lane highway, but even some people got mad because apparently that's bad for the environment. You just can't fix stupid.

My point is, there is no reason in debating the analogy, you debate the topic at hand.