Poll: Obesity: fat people or true illness?

theultimateend

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Largely it is because of the calorie intake of a migrating mammal and the lifestyle of a sedentary mammal.

These two do not mix safely.
 

Noamuth

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Most of the 'obesity crisis' we hear about is mostly just poor eating choices and laziness, I think.

I do feel sorry for the genuinely ill though, or the people who have to take medication that interferes with their metabolism.

And I get annoyed with people who think that just because someone is fat, they must be unhealthy. Some people are just big. They can be perfectly fit and healthy, but a bigger size because of their genes, or because of a medication they're taking, etc.
 

Railu

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TheNecroswanson said:
Railu said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Railu said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Railu said:
Drug addicts turn to drugs to ease their pain, overweight people turn to food. Heroin addicts can quit and so can you.
If you quit food, you will die.

Why is it that the people who complain about fat people seem to always be so cruel and dumb?
You can live for 3 weeks without food. Some people can fast for longer than that.

Cut back to the bare minimum, wow, what a concept.
There's a "bare minimum" of heroin? You know a lot of people who were heroin addicts that have been able to reduce their use to a "bare minimum"?
lol, I love how you keep taking everything out of context. Are we talking about heroin now? I thought we were talking about overeating.

It reminds me of a layman's analogy I tried to make about how RAM improves the performance of a computer. I described it as how if you're moving out of your house, if you have one person to move the data and they can only carry a single box, it will take many trips. But if you have more, you don't need to make as many to get everything out of your house. Then he interrupted me and said 'but if you have too many people they will start bumping into each other and nothing will get done!' I wanted to say to him 'Then you better not get too much or your data will start bumping into each other!'

Later I learned that people responded better to the 4-lane versus 2-lane highway, but even some people got mad because apparently that's bad for the environment. You just can't fix stupid.

My point is, there is no reason in debating the analogy, you debate the topic at hand.
Either way your point is invalid. Starving yourself causes a sort of muscular dystrophy. You can't cut to "bare minimums" because then your body will freak out, hold all it's fat for as long as possible, and burn up your muscle first.
Hell, you'll die of starvation before you even begin burning fat.
Learn what you're talking about.
Hahaha, you guys are hilarious. My point is invalid, huh?

You don't even know what my point is and you want to debate that mine is invalid? First this guy starts going off about my comment about heroin addicts, now you're talking about starving yourself? Wow, just wow. Who said starve yourself? Just you.

So apparently your only options are consume too many calories or nothing? Wow, you'd make a terrible consultant. I'm trying to advocate self-control and you're trying to advocate... I don't know what the hell you are advocating.

For someone who is trying to come off as a smart-ass, you're sure achieving the opposite.

Edit: Btw, no one has even asked my what the bare minimum is. You just assumed it meant eating less than is advisable. Your first mistake is you thought I had no idea what I'm talking about clearly because you are trying to argue points that are succinct.
 

apmpnmdslkbk

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JDviewer said:
When I was 18 I spent most of my time studying to get the grades to get into university. I didn't do any exercise at the time, and with three square meals a day and snacks I ended up becoming obese.

It was only when in university did I think about my own health and changed my diet and began exercising properly. Two years later and I've lost over two stone, and am hoping to lose at least another stone. Changing my lifestyle allowed me to become alot thinner and healthier.

I do believe that some people are more likely to become obese than others but also that their lifestyle is a major factor. People can bring it onto themselves with no-one else to blame but themselves.
What is a stone?

Oh and congrats on the weight loss.
 

Ignignoct

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apmpnmdslkbk said:
JDviewer said:
When I was 18 I spent most of my time studying to get the grades to get into university. I didn't do any exercise at the time, and with three square meals a day and snacks I ended up becoming obese.

It was only when in university did I think about my own health and changed my diet and began exercising properly. Two years later and I've lost over two stone, and am hoping to lose at least another stone. Changing my lifestyle allowed me to become alot thinner and healthier.

I do believe that some people are more likely to become obese than others but also that their lifestyle is a major factor. People can bring it onto themselves with no-one else to blame but themselves.
What is a stone?

Oh and congrats on the weight loss.
Develops in the kidneys due to dehydration or high soda intake.
 

SmartIdiot

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You are what you eat. Simple. If you have no self control and you're obese I have no sympathy. Get a fucking grip. Food is NOT an addiction. You do not get pain, hallucinogenically disruptive dreams, fear, anxiety or a genuine feeling of wanting to be left alone. It's called self control. I apologise to any obese people I'm offending but it's a curse of modern living. Put down the fucking fork. You can do it, you're just too lazy. Get up. Walk to work. Walk home. I do. I'm jealous I have a stick insect body. Lend some of your fat.

All jokes aside. I'm tired of people bitching. If you're overweight. STOP COMPLAINING!!

Instead, do something about it!!

I absolutely cannot STAND people who complain!

I will say it once and once only
Just stop complaining
Stop complaining
Stop complaining

We're not trying
we're not trying
we're not trying
to impress you.
 

Ignignoct

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DraconianKing said:
Ignignoct said:
apmpnmdslkbk said:
JDviewer said:
When I was 18 I spent most of my time studying to get the grades to get into university. I didn't do any exercise at the time, and with three square meals a day and snacks I ended up becoming obese.

It was only when in university did I think about my own health and changed my diet and began exercising properly. Two years later and I've lost over two stone, and am hoping to lose at least another stone. Changing my lifestyle allowed me to become alot thinner and healthier.

I do believe that some people are more likely to become obese than others but also that their lifestyle is a major factor. People can bring it onto themselves with no-one else to blame but themselves.
What is a stone?

Oh and congrats on the weight loss.
Develops in the kidneys due to dehydration or high soda intake.
*facepalm* Stone is also a unit of measurement, you dunce.
Don't fall for the obvious ones, you dunce.
 

jimduckie

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some of it is genetics but most of it is due to technology ie computers ,cars the tv remote and lack of physical activity and the biggest is poor eating habits and lets not forrget kids need a boot in the ass ,they are so lazy
 

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Being at least somewhat fat (polite people would say average, honest assholes like myself would say fat), I can say that it is not an illness. Obviously, with certain illnesses it is harder to maintain a more fit body but the obesity itself is not an illness. Genetics certainly plays a part in it as well but not a large part.

I think that covers everything...
 

Booze Zombie

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Fatness happens to people for a varying number of reasons, but from personal experience, I know a few ways.

The first one, is my father. He has epilepsy, can't eat any meat at all (it gives him fits) and yet he weighs 22 stone. Why? The chemicals they've got him hooked on make him fat. He is a victim of the pill poppin' doctor culture and now he has to put up with it, insults and all.

For me, I'm Autistic, I don't like socialising, so I don't go out much... not much to do inside a house but eat, drink, sleep and play games. I'm trying to change that, though...

It's easy to mock people for being fat, presume you know why they're fat and tell them to work out, eat healthy and stop being lazy... but you're hardly going to win "motivational speaker of the year" for talking like that when that's not even the anwser to someone's problem.

See, there's this thing... cause and effect. We as a society, have this fixation with effect, we never look at something's cause.
Let me put it like this: If a pipe bursts in your house, you just put buckets on the floor and leave the pipe alone?
 

Nintendostar

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EmileeElectro said:
I think it was something to do with your mind.
Then, when we learn Telekinesis, we will be able to control our weight at will! Sweet!

It depends, some people have something in their genetics that just makes them obese, and they can't help it. Others, like my tub-o-lard friend, known as Kaleb, can work it off, in fact, his entire family is extremely fit, however, he is not. He just chooses to be lazy and not work it off.

Me myself, I am one of those people who can eat, say, 3 cows, and only gain a pound. It's fucking great, that's why I love to eat, because I don't gain a pound. EVER. I am also one of those people who is always hungry, all of the time. Even though I like to eat, it bugs me, really badly, because I never have a full stomach until those rare occasions. *Cry face*
 

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I like big butts and I cannot lie, and you other brothers can't deny, that when a girl walks in with a great big waist and a round thing in your face, you get sprung!
 

Ignignoct

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Booze Zombie said:
Nintendostar said:
I would suggest you eat vegetarian food, it sounds like meat just doesn't satisfy you enough.
Curry, perhaps?
I would strangle small animals en masse for a big plate of japanese-style chicken curry.

Slices of chicken slathered with curry on top of an equal portion of rice.

Oh-ho-ho...

Oish-katta! Mo ichi onegai yo!

*flips 500 yen coin at the mama-san*
 

aussiesniper

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Railu said:
TheNecroswanson said:
Railu said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Railu said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Railu said:
Drug addicts turn to drugs to ease their pain, overweight people turn to food. Heroin addicts can quit and so can you.
If you quit food, you will die.

Why is it that the people who complain about fat people seem to always be so cruel and dumb?
You can live for 3 weeks without food. Some people can fast for longer than that.

Cut back to the bare minimum, wow, what a concept.
There's a "bare minimum" of heroin? You know a lot of people who were heroin addicts that have been able to reduce their use to a "bare minimum"?
lol, I love how you keep taking everything out of context. Are we talking about heroin now? I thought we were talking about overeating.

It reminds me of a layman's analogy I tried to make about how RAM improves the performance of a computer. I described it as how if you're moving out of your house, if you have one person to move the data and they can only carry a single box, it will take many trips. But if you have more, you don't need to make as many to get everything out of your house. Then he interrupted me and said 'but if you have too many people they will start bumping into each other and nothing will get done!' I wanted to say to him 'Then you better not get too much or your data will start bumping into each other!'

Later I learned that people responded better to the 4-lane versus 2-lane highway, but even some people got mad because apparently that's bad for the environment. You just can't fix stupid.

My point is, there is no reason in debating the analogy, you debate the topic at hand.
Either way your point is invalid. Starving yourself causes a sort of muscular dystrophy. You can't cut to "bare minimums" because then your body will freak out, hold all it's fat for as long as possible, and burn up your muscle first.
Hell, you'll die of starvation before you even begin burning fat.
Learn what you're talking about.
Hahaha, you guys are hilarious. My point is invalid, huh?

You don't even know what my point is and you want to debate that mine is invalid? First this guy starts going off about my comment about heroin addicts, now you're talking about starving yourself? Wow, just wow. Who said starve yourself? Just you.

So apparently your only options are consume too many calories or nothing? Wow, you'd make a terrible consultant. I'm trying to advocate self-control and you're trying to advocate... I don't know what the hell you are advocating.

For someone who is trying to come off as a smart-ass, you're sure achieving the opposite.

Edit: Btw, no one has even asked my what the bare minimum is. You just assumed it meant eating less than is advisable. Your first mistake is you thought I had no idea what I'm talking about clearly because you are trying to argue points that are succinct.
I'd like to remind you about what you said a few posts earlier.

You can live for 3 weeks without food. Some people can fast for longer than that.

Cut back to the bare minimum, wow, what a concept.
Could this be why people think that your "Bare minimum" is starvation?

Seriously, did you not think about that?
 
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Now all of your weight problems arise from measuring in pounds (i.e. the gay system) rather than the metric system (AKA the super one that all the hot girls wanna do)
 

Bourne Endeavor

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Railu said:
I'm fairly thin, about 150 lbs. One of the biggest differences I've noticed between me and overweight people is that food doesn't give me pleasure. You ever hear of "comfort food"? Of course, because it's something you eat to feel better. I have no comfort food. Food doesn't make me feel anything but full.

But I do enjoy delicious meals, but I don't seek it out and when I am stressed, I eat less not more.
Interesting you should mention this, for after I began my diet, losing a significant amount of weight I noticed that a vast quantity of food I once adored not only did not appeal to me however in many cases I came to dislike it entirely. I, for example cannot eat hot dogs whatsoever without feeling ill, bacon is unappealing and any form of candy/sweet must be limited other ill feeling once more.

Nonetheless whilst I concede there are exceptions, it is most certainly laziness that is the cause of obesity; with the notion of an illness nothing more then a deluded excuse to escape blaming oneself for their own misdeed. If I can decide to cease fast food, most junk and create my own diet to drop over a hundred pounds in less then a year, then most certainly it is possible for anyone else, unless of course I am simply that fantastic my method cannot be mimicked.

Coincidently I managed to lose too much for my given height and now classify quite low, a nice contrast after being overweight for some time.