Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Mazty said:
Your argument completely fails as you believe you have to be fat to enjoy food.
I never said that. Strawman.
It's for the additional pleasure of the food that made you obese. Stop with the strawman arguments.
So then the only reason a person becomes obese, isn't infact to enjoy food, it's because he enjoys it too much,
Who said he enjoys it too much? You're stuffing your conclusion in your premise now.
No, the only person doing the stuffing is the fat person. The fact that the person is putting his life in permanent danger for the love of eating shows he has his priorities wrong.
The more obese you are, the more you will want to eat to enjoy food,
Find me a fat person that eats in moderation. Oh wait, if that was the case they wouldn't be fat.
You ignore the damage sports do to the body.
I've watched a dude break his ankle playing sports so that it was turned ninety degrees the wrong way. I'd rather see a hundred naked fat people do jumping jacks than see that again.
Sport isn't the safest thing on the planet, but that doesn't happen every time someone goes to play a sport does it?
Not every fat person dies of a heart attack, do they?
No, but every obese person suffers because of it in one way or another. When a person stops playing sports, the danger goes away. When a fat person stops eating, the risk is still there 24/7.
Do you look on people who play sports other than badminton the way you look on fat people?
I said for example, stop being pedantic and making strawmen. Again sports in the whole is healthy & productive for a person, shovelling food into your mouth isn't, and most of the time it's not for the pleasure of food, it's comfort eating. No different to someone on crack. Instead of dealing with an issue, they turn to something else.
A broken neck and a severed spinal column won't [get better].
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5285186.stm
Because you hear about broken necks and spinal columns so much in the news as a result of sport. Wait, no you don't, and severe sports injuries won't come close to the figure of 12 million.
Don't doubt the ability of ideology to influence science.
Any evidence that all the problems caused by obesity, which is a huge list, is cheaper on the health system than that of a healthy person?
Once again:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.92284.1441627
That's for the US health system, not the NHS. Plus it hasn't seemed to be vastly scientifically credited, hence the really crappy journal. Also it works on the fale assumption that all old people end up ill in a hospital.
How do you know being fat is the addiction? It's the overeating that's the addiction. Maybe they were addicted before they got fat. If so, they are more like crack babies than smokers.
Being fat isn't the addiction, how on earth would that work? Fattys are addicted to food, not being in a bad state of health. How are they like crack babies? Obese people are a result of their lack of will to put down a fork, hence the reason they are not disabled; just weak.
Yeah, I know about them. Doesn't diminish the number of disabled who got that way through reckless activity like drunk driving or the fact that you keep ignoring the fact that many disabled wound up that way through reckless behavior--behavior way more reckless than eating another slice of pizza.
Any figures, or going to ignorantly act like the majority
Any dictionaries, or are you going to pretend that "many"="majority" to construct another strawman?
Alright, if you insist on being pedantic. Any figures to show how many people are disabled as a result of their own reckless behaviour? Somehow I don't think it'll come close to how many people are obese through reckless/unhealthy behaviour, which is almost all of them.
You're equivocating on the meaning of the word "normal" moving without justification from the medical to the moral sense.
How can a fat person lead a normal life? They are stigmatised for their addiction and are in an unhealthy state. They are limited to what they can do because of their health, so that is not a normal life.
Um, no--you can't just stop at the entry you like. Decadence can also mean "a luxurious self-indulgence"
self-indulgence - an inability to resist the gratification of whims and desires
Sounds like an addiction to me. And an addiction is down to weakness of character.
Being fat is giving into an unhealthy desire, just the same as smoking, or cocaine.