Poll: Pacific Rim: not great (spoilers)

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axlryder

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"don" in the poll is supposed to say "don't want to see it"

SPOILERS: I'll not be intentionally giving away any specific plot points, but you may glean more about the film from my general grievances than you'd rather know right now. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Having just watched the new flick from the (usually stellar) guillermo del toro, I have to say that it did not live up to its potential in my eyes. After having watched the trailers, I didn't feel the movie really grabbed me, and, unfortunately, that impression seemed to extend to the overall film itself.

The characters, which I considered the most important part, mostly fell flat. Partially due to the way they were incorporated into the plot and partially because the majority of the characters felt like derivative anime archetypes. Now, normally I would have no qualms with this, as anime archetypes happen to be my biggest guilty pleasures. The problem here is that the characters were so one-note and understated that the archetype they embodied never got to really shine. It was like watching white bread with anime hair. When they did start to come out of their shells, it was usually in the form of dialogue so stilted and empty that it made the fucking Kaiju look comparatively more well developed. Characters that should have been goldmines of entertainment ended up being introduced and killed off shortly after you forgot they existed. The actually entertaining bits were few and far between and mostly focused on a couple of specific individuals.

The plot itself felt overstuffed and yet also underdeveloped. A lot of time was dedicated to characters that you knew were only shoehorned into the movie because they actually happened to be entertaining. Important plot points were delivered in footnote exposition (mostly by one character), and ended up feeling very detached from what was actually happening on screen. The movie would take time to establish elements or world build, but then rush through things or nearly forget about them altogether. Yet other scenes were painfully slow. They intended to be evocative, but the whole thing was so disjointed and poorly paced that they ended up feeling hollow. It's like they were crossing off a checklist of anime conventions that NEEDED to be included in the film, rather than writing a cohesive plot. It also didn't help that the film ended up playing out like a video game.

Speaking of video games, that was the majority of the action. It looked like a video game. The actual scenes of creative action set pieces and interesting visual effects were diluted by repetitious punching and throwing (why did they keep throwing them? Stop throwing them! Just fucking stab them! JESUS!) *cough* sorry. I remember a few of the Kaiju standing out as being pretty cool in their designs, and one in particular genuinely impressed me. The rest were very meh.

Lastly, the entire thing was extremely predictable despite being so disjointed. Every time a scene started, you wanted it to end so you could get to the next scene in hopes that you might actually be pleasantly unaware of what general plot points were going to get checked off in that particular scene. I could have accepted the predictability much more easily if the movie was actually fun to watch.

This movie was clearly a love letter to farcical 80's anime, but the problem was it never embodied all the best parts of those anime, and ended up just being boring.

sorry if this isn't particularly well written, it's more of a rant really.

anyway, I'm curious about other people's general sentiment towards the film so I threw in a poll

Captcha: ticked off. Oh man, this fucking captcha.
 

Zhukov

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Just saw it.

I thought it was alright. I mean, yeah, the story was cliche filler from beginning to end, but I was there to see big stompy robots punch big monsters in the schnoz and I got that.

Was a bit miffed at how the Chinese and Russian robots and crews got like half a scene before making way for Mr Whiteguy and his English-speaking supporting cast. They looked like they could have been fun. The main characters we got were all cardboard cutouts and boring as hell.

So yeah, if you want some rather loud action then it's got you covered. Just don't expect any more than that.

Oh, and I was pleased, in a guilty sort of way, so see that there was an Australian robot/crew. And they actually get to do stuff. Probably because they speak English.
 

Magicite Spring

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I agree that the story and characters were a bit of a mess, but the action scenes made up for it in my eyes. All the fights were as awesome and epic as they should be, and they were generally fun to watch. The kaiju and robots had interesting designs and looked really cool. The fights felt like epic clashes between huge robots and monsters and that really saved the movie for me.

Its just a shame about the story and characters because this could have been an amazing film if they could have matched the action.

I'm going to put a couple of spoilerish grips here
Why did they not use the swords more? They were clearly op, being able to slice the kaiju in half no problem so why didn't all the robots have them equipped and use them? Seems like a good strategy to me.

Why couldn't the chief and australian kid eject when their mech was exploding? The main characters escape pods seemed to get them away fast so surely all other pilots could have used them to escape. In their case they probably would have been caught in the explosion but why did no one else in the movie use the escape pods? Did everyone forget except the main characters? Because literally every pilot that died could have survived thanks to escape pods, apart from the ones that got ripped out of the mech.

Lastly, I think it would have been so much better if the main guy (i forget his name) got trapped in the alien world. The bomb wouldn't have killed all the aliens (and lets just ignore the fact that he probably would have died in the explosion), so it seems reasonable that they could have tried again, open another portal and such. Seems like a good way to set up some sequels and would have been way more interesting than the generic action movie ending that we got.
 

blink

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I saw it last night.

It was just so average that it bored me. I was expecting either a well thought out exciting movie with giant robots and giant aliens or a shocking film which was hilariously bad with some cool action scenes. And the characters was the same thing. They weren't interesting in any way but they weren't badly funny either. The action wasn't as cool as I thought it should've been and what was with the swords?
They brought out the swords right at the end and it basically wrecked all the remaining gaiji. Why didn't they just do that from the start which would've killed the gaiji in one move rather than just punching them a thousand times?
Which brings me to the name gaiji... Its so boring and bland that I didn't even remember the name as I was going through the movie even though they said it like a bajillion times.

So yeah, it was so average. but it did have pretty lights and pretty effects

EDIT: the guy above me just beat me to the swords point. I do believe the word for this is ninja'd
 
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It was alright, nothing amazing.

7/10


Although, I don't think anything is more awesome than hearing the voice of GLaDOS saying 'Rocket punch engaged.'
 

Angie7F

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Wait, arent the monsters called kaiju, as in monsters in japanese? (not gaiji)


Any how, the concept of a huge human shaped robot that moves with synchronized people is so Gundam and Eva. (plus aquarion and every other robot anime)
Then they are called Jager, which reminds me of Attack on the Titans.

It is just so cliche to be released right now, that it reminds me of when i saw Kickass and Super.

I havent seen it yet, but I will go see it.
 

Shocksplicer

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Zhukov said:
Just saw it.

I thought it was alright. I mean, yeah, the story was cliche filler from beginning to end, but I was there to see big stompy robots punch big monsters in the schnoz and I got that.

Was a bit miffed at how the Chinese and Russian robots and crews got like half a scene before making way for Mr Whiteguy and his English-speaking supporting cast. They looked like they could have been fun. The main characters we got were all cardboard cutouts and boring as hell.

So yeah, if you want some rather loud action then it's got you covered. Just don't expect any more than that.

Oh, and I was pleased, in a guilty sort of way, so see that there was an Australian robot/crew. And they actually get to do stuff. Probably because they speak English.
But those accents! Yikes...
OT: It was very much nothing special, which would have been ok, but I've come to expect special from Del Toro...
 

Blaze the Dragon

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I liked it, but I felt like there were scenes cut from the final draft. For instance, they introduced these 4 big main robots and I'm thinking "Sweet, we got ourselves a cool action team. There's the hero, the fast one, the tanky one, and the exotic one. Pretty good dynamic, I can't wait to see them in action!" But then they kill off 2 of the robots almost instantly, and the 3rd does practically nothing. As a result, we never get to learn anything from those pilots as characters, and we also lose out on some more dynamic fights.

I thought it was better than stuff like Transformers, but it was still the same sort of primary appeal. There were never any parts of the movie that really dragged for me, made me cringe, or anything like that; so I thought it was pretty interesting and fun all the way through, but I still feel like it could've been better. I'm hoping that when the DVD comes out, there's some deleted scenes that fill in some of the gaps. Like, I don't know if I'm just stupid, or I missed it, or what, but did they ever establish the eject pod thing? I don't recall anyone using it.

But yeah, it feels odd to me that I wish a 2:10 movie was longer, but whatever. Maybe it should've been split into 2 movies. One taking place at the beginning of the War, going up until the brother dies. Then 5 year time skip between films and do the rest. I dunno, maybe I'm just trying to justify wanting to see more big robots punch things ever since I was reminded of Megas XLR.
 

axlryder

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Shocksplicer said:
Zhukov said:
Just saw it.

I thought it was alright. I mean, yeah, the story was cliche filler from beginning to end, but I was there to see big stompy robots punch big monsters in the schnoz and I got that.

Was a bit miffed at how the Chinese and Russian robots and crews got like half a scene before making way for Mr Whiteguy and his English-speaking supporting cast. They looked like they could have been fun. The main characters we got were all cardboard cutouts and boring as hell.

So yeah, if you want some rather loud action then it's got you covered. Just don't expect any more than that.

Oh, and I was pleased, in a guilty sort of way, so see that there was an Australian robot/crew. And they actually get to do stuff. Probably because they speak English.
But those accents! Yikes...
OT: It was very much nothing special, which would have been ok, but I've come to expect special from Del Toro...
That was kind of another thing. The audio mixing was weird or something because it felt like the characters were mumbling a lot of the time.

Also, having just watched Bob's review, I have no idea what he meant by "3-dimensional characters". That's giving the writing FAR more credit than it deserved. These characters couldn't have been more by-the-book if they tried. Or is Australian Gary Oak with daddy issues now considered 3-dimensional? The black dude was probably the closest thing we got to a well developed character, and he was practically lifted wholesale.
 

Darth Sea Bass

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Heh i just got back from seeing it and loved it! Hey it's not the Shawshank Redemption but it's not supposed to be it's a movie about giant robots beating the piss out of giant monsters.
 

axlryder

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Darth Sea Bass said:
Heh i just got back from seeing it and loved it! Hey it's not the Shawshank Redemption but it's not supposed to be it's a movie about giant robots beating the piss out of giant monsters.
psh, you're just biased because Bob included you into the review :p
 

Darth Sea Bass

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axlryder said:
Darth Sea Bass said:
Heh i just got back from seeing it and loved it! Hey it's not the Shawshank Redemption but it's not supposed to be it's a movie about giant robots beating the piss out of giant monsters.
psh, you're just biased because Bob included you into the review :p
Uh oh i got rumbled, Cheese it! :p
 

Terramax

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I watched Moviebob's review and, I'll admit, I'm always weary when he rates a film well. He's always extremely biased towards anything remotely geeky, especially if it's rooted in 80's style geek culture.

What I fear most, is that, like at least some Quentin Tarantino movies, this seems to be more of a checklist of a certain geek culture crammed into a package. More simply realising a subculture on a grander scale, rather than being inspired by said material, and seeing to make something more original and unique.

Sure, it's got great, explosive set pieces. But then again, what action movie these days doesn't? It seems more time and money is spent on making things flashy, than making things creative. And from the opinions I'm reading here, as well as some professional reviews, tell me this is more flash in the pan, than any substance or creativity. Therefore, doesn't surprise me so many seem a bit under-whelmed here.

Thanks for the opinions guys. I skimmed through them without reading any spoilers. I'll get round to watching it one day, but it's not on the top of my list.
 

Tom_green_day

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It seems like the wet dream of a seven-year-old boy. I think I'll save my money for The World's End or Hobbit 2. I guess giant robots just isn't my kind of thing, and as lots of people have pointed it's definitely a film aimed straight at the heart of geek culture.
 

Hoplon

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Terramax said:
I watched Moviebob's review and, I'll admit, I'm always weary when he rates a film well. He's always extremely biased towards anything remotely geeky, especially if it's rooted in 80's style geek culture.

What I fear most, is that, like at least some Quentin Tarantino movies, this seems to be more of a checklist of a certain geek culture crammed into a package. More simply realising a subculture on a grander scale, rather than being inspired by said material, and seeing to make something more original and unique.

Sure, it's got great, explosive set pieces. But then again, what action movie these days doesn't? It seems more time and money is spent on making things flashy, than making things creative. And from the opinions I'm reading here, as well as some professional reviews, tell me this is more flash in the pan, than any substance or creativity. Therefore, doesn't surprise me so many seem a bit under-whelmed here.

Thanks for the opinions guys. I skimmed through them without reading any spoilers. I'll get round to watching it one day, but it's not on the top of my list.
No, Transformers, G.I. Joe, hell even Ironman 3 and Superman wish they where this film.

Is it even close to perfect? no, it's silly and over the top but it's never leering or podding or nudging the audience and winking. The fights have weight and good pace, the people bits have character that are at best 2.5d but at least they aren't the shallow assholes of transformers or the grimacing with every step uber action and most of all are mercifully short.
 

MysticToast

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I was disappointed that they spent so much time on the horribly developed and presented characters. What fight scenes there are in the movie are awesome, but I was so bored between each fight because all of the plot and character development(not that there was much) moved soooooooooooo slowly.

So I guess: more robots punching aliens, less crappy accents pl0x.
 

Vern5

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Obviously this movie isn't going to please every viewer. A viewer who prefers a more cerebral experience, for example, is going to be upset that the movie invests the majority of its time showing us scenes of enormous monsters fighting enormous mecha.

What makes this movie special is that it has a purity of function that leads to its purity of form. Pacific Rim is about monsters vs mechs so that's the majority of what you get. Any time spent upon the setting is purely to engage Suspension of disbelief in as little time as possible. This is a good thing. If Pacific Rim tried to be more talky-thinky then that would end up downplaying the incredible action scenes and the whole movie would lose its focus. For a movie, it is better to be amazing at one thing than be average at everything.

I think that Del Toro set out with a specific vision and achieved it. So: Best Sci-Fi action movie of its kind.