Poll: punishment for murder

[Stevanchez]

Ok heres the the scene:A 28 year old man with no previous record has murded a 21 year old girl by strangling her after she had cheated on him then publicly telled every one on radio just to spite him.
She had not told him about her cheating before hand,she was murded that night.Before this crime he was a pefectly stable man with a good steady job.

Is this you? Seriously, be truthful. It sound like you, man.
This is a very specific scenario. You got every event before and up to the murder.
And those are some pretty specific ages. Maybe you should talk to a lawyer.

 

[Gebi10000]

I'd say the right thing to do would be 10 years of jail, with counceling. everybody deserves a second chance.If we would kill him we would be just as bad, if not worse, as in this case the muder was not in cold blood.Executeing people is Medievel to say the least. and anyone who thinks its right is a murderer by thought

 

[LockHeart]

I put the life option, but tbh it sounds more like a charge of murder reduced to manslaughter on the grounds of provocation (provided he acted within a short time of the radio broadcast or being informed of it). In the case of manslaughter, I'd say 14-20 years before he's eligible for parole. However, in the case of premeditated murder - life at hard labour.

I used to support the death penalty but now I find that I can't - not on moral grounds, but only that a person can ever be proven guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt'. If there was a guaranteed foolproof way of ascertaining guilt then I would be the first to tie a noose, but sadly that's not a currently available option.

 

[Syndef]

Hm. Sounds like a crime of passion--possessed by the moment, if you will. When a person is humiliated and degraded like that, this kind of thing happens.

I'm not a crazy fellow, but given the present circumstances, I found no reason to feel sorry for the woman in this case. Really.

Needless to say, the man in this case must be dealt with. For me, I guess prison time coupled with group counseling sessions would work. After all, he was a productive member of society before. I am of course thinking within the American legal system. If I were allowed to deliver a punishment of any sort, I'd say a few weeks in total isolation (including sensory deprivation) to let him cool off. Then a short prison term coupled with therapy sessions to sort things out, then he will be presented to the family of the victim, and they get to determine how much money he has to pay for compensation.

 

[Disaster Button]

I find it kinda scaary how some people say the punishment should be councilling.

I mean, what could be safer than putting a murderer in the room with a shrink who will try and make the murderer feel the same way he did when he killed somoene. Nope, totally safe..

 

[G1eet]

Everyone convicted of a serious enough crime should be sent to a large island in the south pacific and dropped off on the beach. All of them on the same island. Fend for themselves, create their own convict laws and do whatever the hell they want. Set a couple coastguard boats to patrol the waters in case they decide to make a raft. That is it. Problem solved.

Fuck that, send them somewhere colder. Maybe the Falklands? How 'bout the Faroes?

(Although the general idea is sound, and I agree wholeheartedly)

 

[Internet Kraken]

An eye for an eye is not a call for vengance it is a call for justice.

Unless the victim is kidnapped jail serves no deterrant, (I know guys who have done crime to get back inside, aint the UK grand)take an equal measure, a true equal measure. Would you rob a bank if your family would be indentured for the next 50 years ?

Accidental manslaughter's punishment is a death sentance but painless would encourage people to drive more carefully & refrain from violence.

But its irrelevant the middleclass hippies will never allow it.

'Hang em all let Dog sort them out'

Nobody commits an act of murder thinking that they will be caught. I doubt the punishment for such a crime prevents people from doing it.

As for this particular incident, it's hard to decide what should be done with so few details. However, I believe that no person deserves to lose their life, so the death penalty is not an option.

Have you been a victim of crime ?

Not a major crime. What's your point?

 

[captainwillies]

in the eyes of the law

in the original hypothetical question you are given his fate. so techniqually its your justice not anyone elses. of course if your if your ideal justice mimics that of the courts then thats fine with me.

A one time thing like that, there's no need for checking his tendencies. There are none. It was a one time act (crime of passion.) If he had a history of abusing women or violent crimes, THEN you give him counseling, from prison.

but thats just it he didn't have any past criminal offences, he was just a normal guy who was sent over the edge, would he ever be put in that situation again? and if he did find himself in that situation again its better if he has psychiatric treatment now so he can deal with the situation better if it ever happens again. imo prison is just to much for a normal guy, jail or community service would be better.

The point of prison is twofold: the first is to separate from society people who are dangerous.

hes not dangerous if he gets help now.

The second is to punish acts that society finds unacceptable.

more than one case of murder, terrorism, having sex with the body of a dead girl in a bath tub full of maggots and theres shit everywhere(goddamn it 4chan). those are socially unacceptable to me. Its not like he has some kind of "evil gene". this guys reason was rage, a rage that he couldn't cope with. he needs help not ass rape(imo).

This is a case of the latter, he deserves to be punished. If that woman had been you sister or friend or cousin you would understand that murderers (even the ones that don't mean to do it) deserve some kind of punishment so at the very least they are more careful in the future.

no. you do not decide who I am or what i think, if he killed a loved one and was genuinely remorseful he needs help. if he showed no signs of remorse and only seems satisfied with what hes done then he needs ass rape(prison). as for the man in the original hypothetical example not much detail is given on hes personality after the incident but assuming that he was remorseful and its not fake then if his fate was in my hands i would be inclined to see him to councilling.

 

[MiserableOldGit]

I say that the death sentence is most probably the best way to make sure nothing happens.
An eye for an eye and all that stuff.
But maybe we should just torture him, and bring him to the edge of reason, and then recruit him as a goverment funded super assassin and they send him to do their evil and make sure 'nobody knows what happend'

Okay, hardman, just one thing. If we're going for eye for an eye, what happens when someone is tried and executed, then it is subsequently brought to light that they were innocent? An innocent person has been subjected to a pre-meditated killing. Who do we kill in this instance? How about we have a list of everyone who is pro-capital punishment, as they are the ones responsible for the state taking this action in the first place, and we kill one of them. If it then turns out that the original suspect was guilty after all, we could kill another one. I'll put you down at the top of the list, shall I?

Of course if someone close to you gets you'll probably thirst for blood- thats why we have justice meted out by objective third parties. The point of justice is to ensure the survival of civilisation when individuals deviate from its established values, not to make people feel better.

 

[sirdanrhodes]

You know, if anyone murders when I am in charge, they will be placed in a pure white room, locked in isolation for as long as they live, they will be given the bare minimum to survive, have no changes of clothes and will have to sleep / eat / go on the floor...

Why did I choose other, that sounds like torture...

 

[asinann]

no. you do not decide who I am or what i think, if he killed a loved one and was genuinely remorseful he needs help. if he showed no signs of remorse and only seems satisfied with what hes done then he needs ass rape(prison). as for the man in the original hypothetical example not much detail is given on hes personality after the incident but assuming that he was remorseful and its not fake then if his fate was in my hands i would be inclined to see him to councilling.

This is why nice people need to stay the hell out of the criminal justice system. Call me when a loved one is murdered and we'll talk about how "If he's remorseful he just needs counseling." Until a loved one is murdered (and my sister was) your thoughts and opinions in the matter are invalid. I'm not calling for the chair or even life without parole, he does need to be punished for his crime though, and since part of prison involves getting the needed mental health treatment, I'm sure the few sessions he needs to get rid of the rage vs. the years of it he might need to get over the feelings of guilt and shame are better spent making license plates and watching for Bubba. You kill someone on purpose, you don't deserve to be safe from prison rape while you get your government funded treatment and shelter.

 

[CNKFan]

Gladiatorial Arena. It solves two problems, 1. It takes care of prison overpopulation, and 2. revenue from ticket sales and pay-per-view.
OT: I say yea olde death penalty.

 

[knight steel]

Ok heres the the scene:A 28 year old man with no previous record has murded a 21 year old girl by strangling her after she had cheated on him then publicly telled every one on radio just to spite him.
She had not told him about her cheating before hand,she was murded that night.Before this crime he was a pefectly stable man with a good steady job.

Is this you? Seriously, be truthful. It sound like you, man.
This is a very specific scenario. You got every event before and up to the murder.
And those are some pretty specific ages. Maybe you should talk to a lawyer.

How did you guess.she had it coming AND WHAT DO I GET 5 YEARS IN BARS.At least you guys weren't the juges.any way that was 6 years ago.


P.s. this is a joke i never hurt a person like that in my life,don't take this serously.

 

[captainwillies]

This is why nice people need to stay the hell out of the criminal justice system.

humans and societies evolve therefore the justices system needs to change with time as well. i do not think the death sentence for theft is a good idea now days and I'm sure you don't either.

Call me when a loved one is murdered(and my sister was)

I'm sorry for your loss

your thoughts and opinions in the matter are invalid.

no your thoughts are now invalid. because something terrible has happened to you your perceptions of certain individuals are now forever change.

I'm not calling for the chair or even life without parole, he does need to be punished for his crime though, and since part of prison involves getting the needed mental health treatment, I'm sure the few sessions he needs to get rid of the rage vs. the years of it he might need to get over the feelings of guilt and shame are better spent making license plates and watching for Bubba.

if that is how you feel then so be it.

You kill someone on purpose, you don't deserve to be safe from prison rape while you get your government funded treatment and shelter.

and thats why people who have suffered a loss from a murderer are not fit to be in the justices system because their judgement may be forever clouded.

 

[Lusulpher]

If she had given him/you AIDS, how would should he/you react? That's the better poll.

Anyway, I voted Counseling, because IT'S THE ONE THAT WORKS.

Plus, temp insanity is all over that one, and I remember a woman running over her husband when he left a motel with his mistress.

The murder is still not justified, and the murderer will agree with you AFTER the fact. Can't even create a punishment for a medical condition that has already passed...
Now if he preys on children after his parole(there are people out there on their 2nd warning about that!), then you can do Life Imprisonment on an island where they are free to kill or coexist.

Battle Royale! or Starcraft(still a forms of counseling)\o/

 

[Delicious]

I am so glad you people aren't placed in charge of such things.

The system isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than 99% of the replies in this thread that happen to be based on nothing more than a few lines of broken English.

 

[Some Fella1]

Torture

Put him on one of those hilarious game shows that humilate people just so they can get something they want... but don't give him anything... except maybe a ration ticket that he can trade in once every 3 days for some food and water. And then when everyone is tired of seeing his sorry ass on TV, we send him to Etheopia.

Or is that too cruel?

 

[SweetCakeKiller]

I say that the death sentence is most probably the best way to make sure nothing happens.
An eye for an eye and all that stuff.
But maybe we should just torture him, and bring him to the edge of reason, and then recruit him as a goverment funded super assassin and they send him to do their evil and make sure 'nobody knows what happend'

Okay, hardman, just one thing. If we're going for eye for an eye, what happens when someone is tried and executed, then it is subsequently brought to light that they were innocent? An innocent person has been subjected to a pre-meditated killing. Who do we kill in this instance? How about we have a list of everyone who is pro-capital punishment, as they are the ones responsible for the state taking this action in the first place, and we kill one of them. If it then turns out that the original suspect was guilty after all, we could kill another one. I'll put you down at the top of the list, shall I?

Of course if someone close to you gets you'll probably thirst for blood- thats why we have justice meted out by objective third parties. The point of justice is to ensure the survival of civilisation when individuals deviate from its established values, not to make people feel better.

OK, I"ll admit you've got a point there, but do you know the phrase "to learn from your mistakes"?
If you give him a jail sentence, he's got to come out someday, and if it is life, it would be most possible that he is dead when this happens. And looking at the poll results 'Life in Jail' would certainly be the more popular punishment.
But now, even if a life sentence might be more cost effective than executing him, it also means that you have made the rest of his life a hell. Even if he is instituted in a 'nice' prison. Also if you, after a couple of decennia, trip over something and find out that he is innocent, you might be able to just let him out. But what for? You destroyed his life, his belief in the system, and he has no choice left but to start from scratch. Even if his family still knows him, he has to rebuild his life, at old age.
If you give them the death sentence, it might be harder to correct these cases in the face of the public, but you saved him the trouble of having to deal with his destroyed life, and the possible persecutions for him being wronged. And it opens op some space in this overpopulated world.

PS: You might find this barbaric, but it was alot simpler in the middle ages. you stole something: your hand is chopped of. You ran from the law, 1st time: legs broken and the punishement from wich you ran away. 2nd time: Your heels chopped of. 3rd time: Head get's chopped. This is maybe 'barbaric' but it saves alot of trouble on the ones that stay alive, save for some heart- and/or physical pain.

 

[esperandote]

something between 10 and life in jail

 

[Macgyvercas]

Yes, all acts of homicide should be dealt with using extreme force. I don't want to pay for murderers to eat better than bums and get free cable tv.

EDIT: there is one way to appease both crowds. The people who don't want to pay and the people who don't want to kill. And it is this...

Everyone convicted of a serious enough crime should be sent to a large island in the south pacific and dropped off on the beach. All of them on the same island. Fend for themselves, create their own convict laws and do whatever the hell they want. Set a couple coastguard boats to patrol the waters in case they decide to make a raft. That is it. Problem solved.

Wasn't that how Austrailia was founded? It's not a bad idea. It worked before.