Poll: Security Guards V.S. 12-year old punk

[Squeaky]

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He's twelve, guys. TWELVE! Twelve. Years. Old. I get it, children are often annoying online and it's fun seeing the assholes who ruin your multiplayer gaming experience get a beating but that still doesn't change the fact that we're talking about a child here, not an adult.

You two keep talking about common sense and how at your age you understood bla and bla but did you really? I mean here you are, at an age when you're supposed to have "common sense", condoning violence against children and you have the audacity to claim you "understand" what common sense is? Really?

Well for starts the world pritty fucked up and is becoming more and more of a nanny culture so hey if you agree people should just sit back and not do anything about punks like this getting away with murder (you let them do somthing once they'll think they can get away with it again and again) so think about the future and what this little idiot might be in 5 years and then answer this question again

 

[soulsabr]

I'm sorry but last time I checked, 12 year old's aren't adults and treating them like adults is fucking stupid and borders on actual abuse.

I do believe if that guard had treated that kid like an adult there would have been paramedics on the scene by the end of the clip.

 

[esperandote]

What had happened was that the kid was riding between the tram-cars which is both foolish AND dangerous. Really dangerous.

What he's saying to the guards are:
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Thank you. I failed to understand what the kid did. The guard did the right thing but maybe a little bit too much. In some countries guards dont have the autority to arrest people and they would have been filed with kidnapping, wich would be stupid.

Did the guard hit the kid at 2:07?

 

[Frost27]

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He's twelve, guys. TWELVE! Twelve. Years. Old. I get it, children are often annoying online and it's fun seeing the assholes who ruin your multiplayer gaming experience get a beating but that still doesn't change the fact that we're talking about a child here, not an adult.

You two keep talking about common sense and how at your age you understood bla and bla but did you really? I mean here you are, at an age when you're supposed to have "common sense", condoning violence against children and you have the audacity to claim you "understand" what common sense is? Really?

Won't someone think of the children?

If he can kick an enforcement officer, resist arrest, and cuss the officer like an adult, I think 12 is the perfect age to learn there are consequences for his actions. Obviously his parents have failed in this regard until now and it's time the real world he is so eager to kick sand at shows him what happens when you act like that. He earned what he got and more.
I don't know about Sweden, but kids that act like that grow up to be adults who end up either stabbed or shot.

 

[Schoengeist]

And like I said, kicking somebody is assault in Sweden and he also says he will murder the guard (which also is illegal) and he also calls the guard whore (which Im pretty sure is against the law as well)

There are lot of stupid laws against all possible things. While insulting and threatening someone is socially undesirable and in some instances punishable, it would be very hard to find someone who'd be crazy enough to indict a twelve-year old who made himself guilty while pinned against the floor.

Would you really think that he is just trying to get free?

Yeah?

While I would like to discuss the intricacies of detaining kids further, it's one in the morning where I am and I still have to write an article that I should have finished by yesterday. So I will concur with Cutlesnap and excuse myself. Good Night/Have a nice day.

 

[Mjauv]

I fail to see the point in stressing his age.
I did a lot of stupid things when I was younger. Shoplifted. Smoked cigarettes. Drank beer.
Things I did NOT do was exposing myself to life-threatening situations, resist arrest or make death-threats against security guards.

If you do that kind of stuff, then maybe, juuuust maybe, getting the treatment that kid got is what you actually need.

 

[thelonewolf266]

Well at least that kid didn't get raped with a wiimote.

I feel so unbelievably bad for laughing at that good on you.Also security guard did the right thing I hate how young people these grow up thinking they can get away with anything and do whatever they like because nobody says no to them any more.I'm only 18 so I'm not some old person that just hates kids.

 

[Jodah]

I'm always for punk ass kids getting taught a lesson so good for you Mr. Security Guard.

If I ever create a country, beating 12-year old punks will become a national sport.

Not gunna lie, I would so live there...

 

[MrTub]

And like I said, kicking somebody is assault in Sweden and he also says he will murder the guard (which also is illegal) and he also calls the guard whore (which Im pretty sure is against the law as well)

There are lot of stupid laws against all possible things. While insulting and threatening someone is socially undesirable and in some instances punishable, it would be very hard to find someone who'd be crazy enough to indict a twelve-year old who made himself guilty while pinned against the floor.

Would you really think that he is just trying to get free?

Yeah?

While I would like to discuss the intricacies of detaining kids further, it's one in the morning where I am and I still have to write an article that I should have finished by yesterday. So I will concur with Cutlesnap and excuse myself. Good Night/Have a nice day.

The fact is that he said whore, fuck off and die, I will kill you before he was on the ground.

And I think its good that death threads is against the law. So I do not think any of these laws are stupid.

 

[neurohazzard]

Okay, speaking as someone who was a security guard for a few months, I'm siding with the kid. Firstly off, the head first manner in which he took the kid down could have easily killed him. There was actually an incident here in which a police officer took someone in handcuffs down the same way and the man ended up with severe brain damage. Secondly, there was no reason to armbar the kid like that once he was already in handcuffs. Twisting the shoulder up like that is extremely painful, and once someones cuffed it's completely unnecessary. I'm sorry, but if you can't handle a handcuffed 12 year old without resorting to sadism, you have NO place being a security guard, or being in any position of power for that matter.

 

[Cutlesnap]

Okay, speaking as someone who was a security guard for a few months, I'm siding with the kid. Firstly off, the head first manner in which he took the kid down could have easily killed him. There was actually an incident here in which a police officer took someone in handcuffs down the same way and the man ended up with severe brain damage. Secondly, there was no reason to armbar the kid like that once he was already in handcuffs. Twisting the shoulder up like that is extremely painful, and once someones cuffed it's completely unnecessary. I'm sorry, but if you can't handle a handcuffed 12 year old without resorting to sadism, you have NO place being a security guard, or being in any position of power for that matter.

Thank you for restoring some of my faith in mankind.

I hope everyone read this man's post, because I think the most important facts in this clip are being glossed over.

 

[sivlin]

EVERYONE: Just because someone is young doesn't mean that they can't bring harm to someone. People seem to think just because you are younger that you shouldn't be held partially accountable for your actions. Regardless of age, if you are a threat to others you need to be restrained. The kid was trying to get away from the guard - the guard made sure he could not. The take down might have been a little forceful, but when are take downs ever not?

 

[winter2]

HAHAHAHA! Awesome! That man should be prime minister!!

 

[Caverat]

Eh, the kid was kicking the security guard, needed to be thrown to the ground. It's not self defense when you're resisting arrest, lawful arrest or not. Depending on the nation, those employed in loss prevention are permitted to detain/arrest an individual suspected of theft. Even if the kid wasn't stealing, just creating a disturbance on private property can be grounds for this kind of treatment.

The individuals age doesn't matter if they're breaking the law, and assaulting you when you try to detain them when it is your job to do so. This 12 year-old is not a victim, he is a delinquent, and deserves to be treated as such.

 

[Augmata]

False dichotomy. Neither one was right.

Also, there's a difference between "respecting authority" and respecting people's wishes not to be kicked. Authority is NEVER good. By its very definition.

 

[Cutlesnap]

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Ok, lets see it from the guard point of view. You have a minor that is calling you whore, fuck off and die, I will kill you. You also got lots of his friends around which you need to keep attention to, and then you feel the minor that you got in armlock (or whatever you want to call it) starts to kick you. Would you really think that he is just trying to get free?

And honestly what kind of people do you know if you think its normal to ride trains (aka risk your life) at age 12?

From the guards point of view, he had every reason to be annoyed. And the proper authority (not him, a court) should have given those kids some form of punishment. But again: He was deliberately hurting a handcuffed child a quarter his size, who he was restraining not for doing something malicious (like violence or shoplifting), but for being reckless.

Now, I'm still not sure what exactly 'riding trains' means, and it could easily mean far more stupid things than anything I've ever done. But around that age, I've done stupid reckless stuff too. And you probably did to, as have most boys. And I regularly deserved to be punished to some extent, but this isn't punishment, it's violence.

 

[mrdude2010]

it's about time 12 year olds with misguided world views and attitude problems get taught that they have to think before they open their mouths. every time i hear a teacher say "stop talking and put your cell phone away," and the student says something like "i wasn't," then goes back to what they were doing i would totally support the teacher just picking up a chair and beating that kid over the head several times.

 

[thelonewolf266]

The media is taking the side of the little butthole?

Why? He's evidently being an abusive disrespectful twit.

A 12 year old is WELL able to understand what he is doing and consequences.

They take his side because security guards detaining someone for good reason isn't going to generate as much interest and in turn money as security guards beating up innocent kid.Its bullshit they showed admirable restraint in my opinion.

 

[Jason Danger Keyes]

I'm always for punk ass kids getting taught a lesson so good for you Mr. Security Guard.

If I ever create a country, beating 12-year old punks will become a national sport.

I'll be your first immigrant.

 

[AngelBlackChaos]

I'm sorry but last time I checked, 12 year old's aren't adults and treating them like adults is fucking stupid and borders on actual abuse.

And what if the kid is violent?... Like in this case?...

He's 12. Think about that for a moment.

Getting taught to not be a prick is best taught at an early age.

If you actually believe violence is the proper tool for instilling certain values in children then congratulations, you're going to be an unfit parent.

Honestly, if the kid was already doing enough crap for them to cuff him, he already wasn't listening to reason. Its just like if you are dealing with a criminal that continues to be violent. they neutralized the situation, and all they did after that was kept him in line. How is this bad exactly?

My brother at 9 tried to punch my mom. she grabbed his arm, twisted it and held it and told him to stop. he didn't, so she floored him. It would be interesting if someone could translate it.