Poll: Security Guards V.S. 12-year old punk

[Avalanche91]

Problem with kids that age is that on one hand they are expected to know their actions have consequences, and on the other hand they are impossible to reason with in a heated situation such as the afformentioned one.

Hell, a lot of adults are impossible to reason with in a heated situation.

I am not sure whether or not the guard tried to reason with him, but I will assume he did. Cause lets be honest, getting in a fight with a 12 yo looks bad, everyone knows that.
But if the kid resists reasoning, acts rashly, and say things like 'I'll kill you ************' (thanks person who translated that), and basically assuming he can do whatever he wants cause he's 12 and they can't touch him.

then yes, I think the guard acted correctly.

 

[dave1004]

Now, I'm sure many of you have encountered little s**ts in supermarkets. Little kids running about and knocking things over, being rude, walking all over their parents, you know the kind. But the worst are the biters. Yes, those little c**ts that feel it is okay to bite you whenever they feel like it.
Okay, here's the best part. A biter got me today when I was grocery stopping. He broke the f***ing skin, too. This was when the gears started turning, the moment I saw a tiny sprickle of blood on the little sh**'s teeth as he was grinning at me like the little c**t he is. I made my eyes get wide, and started screaming "S**T! S**T!." Now, my good friend, Tom we'll call him, was there too, and he instantly picked up on it. He started shouting "F**K! MAYBE HE DIDN'T GET IT! F**K!" By now, the kid is scared sh**less and starts crying, and instantly, Mizz Mom appears out of nowhere and starts getting pi**y at us for yelling at her kid.
Here's the kicker, I look her straight in the eye and say, "Mam, get your son tested as soon as possible, he just bit me and I'm... I'm F**KING HIV POSITIVE."
And now there is silence. Not a peep in the entire store. The brat knows he just f**ked up big time because his mom isn't defending his ass. She just stares at me wide eyed. I walk away from them, buy my s**t from the wide eyed cashier, all the while blood is dripping from my calf, making a nice little trail on the floor. And, just as we leave, we start to hear the mother sobbing. Sobbing like the c**t she is.
I have never felt any more satisfaction than the moment I heard that sob.

That's basically how I view this. The security guard was in the right on this case. This is nothing compared to the incident where a cop tasered an 11-year-old girl for refusing to take a bath.

 

[Shycte]

Since this is on the 10th page I doubt it will get seen, but I made a little "remix" that you guys may appreciate

Awesome. Tis' is rare to see such an awesome movie.

 

[Daveman]

I'm not remotely surprised by this. Luckily the kids got it on camera so the guy can get what's coming to him.

I'm not sure what the kid did, but they had him pinned with his face in either a wall or on the floor for a good five minutes for, as far as I could tell, no good reason as in the end they just hauled him off elsewhere. It seemed they were waiting for "back-up" which really seemed unnecessary. Why didn't the guys take him away straight away? Again, no fucking clue. But really, an arm lock when he's already cuffed? Maybe if he was a massive man that might be needed, but that kid is never going to muscle his way out of either one of those.

I have no sympathy for big strong guys picking on little guys as I'm pretty sure we've left the middle ages.

God forbid a guy do his job...

I love uninformed people.

They didnt move him because it wasnt safe, the kids were shouting death threats at them and they were outnumbered roughly 3 to 1.

They waited there because if they had tried to move before their back up arrived they would have surrounded by people who were threatening to kill them. So really? it was unnecessary to wait for help to arrive? And if you say they were only teenagers, they can do just as much damage as adults.

And the arm lock while he was cuffed was so he could keep his attention on the crowd. If he had turned his back on the kid to make syure the punks buddies didnt try to jump him the punk could have pulled a weapoon

Firstly, thanks, I love you too, I mean I did try make it fairly clear that I was no expert as to the situation especially so nobody mistook me for an expert on rubbing kids faces into the dirt while mounting them (at best I'm a hobbyist)... though you claim this is that guy's job.

I know as an educated man I may find it difficult to understand the difficulties faced by somebody who gains wait to throw around for a living but I believe with 2 people they quite easily have the 90 degree field of view covered from the corner and could easily have made do with one. Yet when they eventually got another couple over, they did just grab another guy, which kind of negates them being brought over as back up.

Mind you, you are right, they could have pulled a weapon, so really they should have just tazed their balls off... just in case.

 

[Thundero13]

So... a kid was doing something and a security guard handcuffs him and holds him
Well that's fair enough, they probably should have taken him away to a security guards office or something but whatever
Then... the kid moves his leg in an attempt to kick the security guard, so the security guard pushes him to the floor and practically sits on him
This is the part where I draw the line, no the guard shouldn't have done that, a more sensible thing to do would be... I don't know, turn the kid sideways so he couldn't 'kick' him? It's not rocket science

 

[Multikott]

For the sake of clarity: just before trying to kick the guard, the kid says "You're breaking my arm". He's obviously in pain (as can be told from his moaning). I'm not alright with grown men being violent toward minors, and the amount of people here who are scares me. I don't doubt that the kid had done something exceedingly stupid, but seriously, there had to be a way to resolve the situation without that kind of violence. It's not like a twelve-year-old in handcuffs poses a realistic threat to any security guard worth his salt (especially not two of them).

It worries me that when people see a uniformed man sitting on a twelve-year-old, they cheer on the former. No matter the circumstances.

 

[Sunrider]

I'm not sure if someone else said this already but "according to more reliable media it is about a 12 year old caught riding between the wagons and pretty vehemently resisted being caught and his (bigger) buddies cheered his resistance and very very bad mouth ("will kill you!", "whore!"). The guards was taking him to a room and wait for police as their instructions are. Got delayed, probably by the gang so they could start filming. The rest of the story is that the mother is crying on TV about abuse."

 

[TitanAtlas]

Saw the whome film, and i am appauled.... appauled to see nothing wrong happen.

The security guards were professional and acted accordingly to the situation, the kids were beeing annoying and aggressive and were controlled in the possible ways, and the security even called for the police.

Even in they're stressfull job they did what was required, and if it was for me, i would maybe loose my cool down.

Ridiculous how the kid and his mother act has the victim when they were the culprits...

Reminds me of the Zangief Kid situation, in wich after the beatdown, the bully came on television and saied that the zangief kid brought that situation on himself and he (a alone person) has been bullying him and his friends (a group). Remarkable irony!!!

 

[Siege_TF]

Mind you, you are right, they could have pulled a weapon, so really they should have just tazed their balls off... just in case.

Or you can take a look at the goddamned video again and notice that at the the kid tryied to lever the guard's knee so he can make a run for it. It's not that the others are right, it's that making jackass remarks like suggesting the guards should have used their tazers makes every poster who seems to think they're on Sienfeld look like a jackass.

And since I AM a professional I'll just point out that the guard was on the kid's ass, which causes no damage, as opposed to the kid's spine, which could cause permanent damage, all of which is is preferable to death which may have occured if the kid was still between cars if the train took a turn and he got tossed.

Newman.

 

[spartan231490]

I think it was wrong simply because the kid was already handcuffed and not only helpless, but was probably going to end up having a very very bad day when his parents showed up to collect him. I don't really see any excuse for body-slamming a defenseless child to a concrete floor. He could have been very seriously hurt.

To clarify, My only problem was that the kid was handcuffed and so he couldn't even break his fall. I would have had no problem if they had slammed him into a wall, or slapped him in the face, or even body-slammed one of the other kids that were harassing them, all of those things were warranted. Possibly harming a 12 year old who has already been hand-cuffed just because he's calling you bad names, is not.

 

[AnarchistFish]

Don't really see the guard doing anything wrong here but I disagree with what you say about learning to respect authority being an important part of growing up.

Depends what authority though I guess.

 

[Multikott]

You would be amazed at how formidable a kid in handcuffs with a gun is at that range.

And I can ***** and moan about being in pain when I am just standing there too.

This little punk probably is very proficient in lieing through his teeth.

Did you actually watch the clip? If you did, it's fairly obvious that the kid has no gun (and if he did, wouldn't the guards have found it immediately?).

The position in which he's being held is clearly painful. I highly doubt that he'd lie about being in pain (wouldn't look cool to his friends).

To me, it's obvious from watching the clip that the balance of power is extremely one-sided. The guards are in no danger (watch their poses during the first two minutes) and have complete control of the situation, while the kid is barely able to move. It boils down to violence, plain and simple.

 

[thiosk]

Taser the mom.

Thats what really needed to happen here. Its the only way!

 

[Siege_TF]

I think it was wrong simply because the kid was already handcuffed and not only helpless, but was probably going to end up having a very very bad day when his parents showed up to collect him. I don't really see any excuse for body-slamming a defenseless child to a concrete floor. He could have been very seriously hurt.

To clarify, My only problem was that the kid was handcuffed and so he couldn't even break his fall. I would have had no problem if they had slammed him into a wall, or slapped him in the face, or even body-slammed one of the other kids that were harassing them, all of those things were warranted. Possibly harming a 12 year old who has already been hand-cuffed just because he's calling you bad names, is not.

Again, the kid was trying to make a break for it or resisting. Also, he was not bodyslammed, he was taken to ground.

Did you watch the movie?

Did YOU watch the movie? I don't think you did or you would have seen the kid trying to kick the guard's knees. Watch the movie better. Both of you.

Also, they could most certainly not have slapped him in the face, there's laws about that sort of thing (at least in Canada).

 

[Harry Mason]

I've worked around children, often violent children refugees from war torn countries, who have attacked me and each other in more ways than you can imagine. I've had to restrain a lot of angry, violent children. The way this security guard behaved was COMPLETELY inappropriate. There is no reason to immobilize a child that size face down on the ground for any reason, much less because they started pushing on your knee with their foot. I've taken knives away from children in less dramatic ways. This guy is just a dick. He let his frustration get the better of him and deserves to be suspended.

Because a kick to the knee from a child that size is momentary annoyance for a man that size, and it's his job. Being thrown to the ground by a security guard and immobilized on your face has a permanent psychological effect on a child, even (and especially) a troubled one. There is no excuse if you are a professional.

 

[Siege_TF]

I've worked around children, often violent children refugees from war torn countries, who have attacked me and each other in more ways than you can imagine. I've had to restrain a lot of angry, violent children. The way this security guard behaved was COMPLETELY inappropriate. There is no reason to immobilize a child that size face down on the ground for any reason, much less because they started pushing on your knee with their foot. I've taken knives away from children in less dramatic ways. This guy is just a dick. He let his frustration get the better of him and deserves to be suspended.

Because a kick to the knee from a child that size is momentary annoyance for a man that size, and it's his job. Being thrown to the ground by a security guard and immobilized on your face has a permanent psychological effect on a child, even (and especially) a troubled one. There is no excuse if you are a professional.

I gotta ask; were you doing it while being harassed by four other kids? The guard din't have the boy on his face, on his front yes, because that's the procedure for taking someone to ground, which is nessessary if the person is struggling too much. Maybe you'd prefer if he was on his back so he could kick at the guards? Not reasonable. To have him on his face would be implying the boy's face was being forced to the ground. It wasn't; the boy was pinned by his waist and was free to move his head.

 

[Extasii]

Awesome story (not sarcasm)

While I haven't had to deal with biters, I do get knives flashed in my direction by teenage idiots that I "have words with" when they use the electric carts and wheelchairs reserved for the handicapped or elderly.

Although I did get to guilt-trip a mother whose kid was driving an electric cart while a very elderly woman with oxygen tubes and one prosthetic leg had to wait for one. I tell her that her son should not be driving the cart, she gets pissed at me and says her son can do what he wants. I point out the old lady (sitting in a wheelchair that I had brought for her while she waited). Instant satisfaction as I see her eyes go wide and she yanks her son out of the electric cart.

Discipline is needed more than ever.

 

[Harry Mason]

I've worked around children, often violent children refugees from war torn countries, who have attacked me and each other in more ways than you can imagine. I've had to restrain a lot of angry, violent children. The way this security guard behaved was COMPLETELY inappropriate. There is no reason to immobilize a child that size face down on the ground for any reason, much less because they started pushing on your knee with their foot. I've taken knives away from children in less dramatic ways. This guy is just a dick. He let his frustration get the better of him and deserves to be suspended.

Because a kick to the knee from a child that size is momentary annoyance for a man that size, and it's his job. Being thrown to the ground by a security guard and immobilized on your face has a permanent psychological effect on a child, even (and especially) a troubled one. There is no excuse if you are a professional.

I gotta ask; were you doing it while being harassed by four other kids? The guard din't have the boy on his face, on his front yes, because that's the procedure for taking someone to ground, which is nessessary if the person is struggling too much. Maybe you'd prefer if he was on his back so he could kick at the guards? Not reasonable. To have him on his face would be implying the boy's face was being forced to the ground. It wasn't; the boy was pinned by his waist and was free to move his head.

FOUR other kids? Please excuse the pun, but that's child's play! None of the other kids laid a finger on the guards. Try dealing with an entire playground in the projects when a fistfight breaks out over a Hmong kid calling someone's sister the "n" word. Those security guards didn't know their asses from their elbows.

And saying that someone is "on their face" is an expression meaning they are on their stomachs or "face down." Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Agayek]

Since this is on the 10th page I doubt it will get seen, but I made a little "remix" that you guys may appreciate

That is amazing. Thank you for that.

 

[Multikott]

I watched the clip, but I have first hand experience in knowing how to hide weapons.

And the guards finding the weapons depends fully on company policy. Some of the security companies I worked for will not allow the search of a person no matter what, you can draw your gun and shoot someone but god forbid you search them.

It comes down to liability, a lot of companies dont want even the chance of a sexual harassment suit. Because even if you win it, your rep is ruined for having the suit in the first place.

Just because the guards looked relaxed does NOT mean the balance of power was in their favor. They were out numbered about 3 to 1 by the teenagers, that is why they drew their ASPs when they had to take the kid down, because the teenagers were about to escalate it.

But hey, when someone is calling you a whore and threatening to kill you like these kids were, please, relax, let the person do whatever they want. I am sure you will have a lot of fun.

I have no experience whatsoever in the field of concealed weaponry (or of working as a security guard), so I'm not going to argue the first point. As for the second, I'll just quote someone more knowledgeable than me:

FOUR other kids? Please excuse the pun, but that's child's play! None of the other kids laid a finger on the guards. Try dealing with an entire playground in the projects when a fistfight breaks out over a Hmong kid calling someone's sister the "n" word. Those security guards didn't know their asses from their elbows.

I stand by my opinion that the guard's violence was over the top.