Poll: Segregating schools: A Good Idea?

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SinisterDeath

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of course schools shouldnt be segregated by gender, or by anything at all. I understand what your saying to an extent about the whole dating thing, because for kids that can get in the way, but that is part of being a kid is learning to interact with the opposite sex. there is more to learn in school then what the teachers teach you i.e social skills and interacting with peers
Schools as is, barely teach you anything you didn't already know since 8th grade. (Unless you weren't paying attention or watchign to much sponge bob)
Everything from 9-12, is review. The sad part is, this is 100% freaking true. The only time you actually 'learn' something is if you take advanced classes, or things like physics/philosphy, and not the 'minimum requirements'.

Hell, I remember my parents saying they used to have a class to teach you how to do your taxes in highschool, as back then they had 3 responsibilites. (the teachers*)
1. Can you read?
2. Can you add?
3. Can you do your taxes when you get a job?

Now all schools are worried about is increasing test standardized test scores so they can get a bigger budget that they don't necissarilly need, but they also can't not-try. (as one of my math teachers in highschool put it. "We were over budget, we can't give the money back, because next year, they'll underbudget us.")

All anything about segrating students would do is to eliminate distractions, to improve test scores, which would directly mean the school would gain more funds.

Unfortunately, this just further reduces the 'kids' ability to function in reality.
Reality has distractions.
And you don't need to have to have good grades to get a good job. Hell you don't even have to be smart. You just have to know how much ass you have to kiss. :p
 

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No. This just seems like flame-bait.

My middle school actually did this for english and math, it was really hard to focus because you were with your friends and etc.
 

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joystickjunki3 said:
Your head may in the right place in terms of intention, but boys and girls must learn how to properly interact on a social level if they are to succeed in life. Most of us, if not all, learn this sort of cross-gender social interaction from our school days. And besides, the genders don't learn all that differently from each other as far as I know.

EDIT: Although, I'm plenty willing to amend my statements if proven wrong.
Males have physically greater gaps between our left and right brain hemispheres than those of females. So we actually think and learn differently.
 

mike1921

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Hell, I remember my parents saying they used to have a class to teach you how to do your taxes in highschool, as back then they had 3 responsibilites. (the teachers*)
1. Can you read?
2. Can you add?
3. Can you do your taxes when you get a job?
I sorta prefer there be classes based on things you actually need to do in real life, instead of those damned art class you have to do for 9 years in my district.
 

SinisterDeath

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mike1921 said:
Hell, I remember my parents saying they used to have a class to teach you how to do your taxes in highschool, as back then they had 3 responsibilites. (the teachers*)
1. Can you read?
2. Can you add?
3. Can you do your taxes when you get a job?
I sorta prefer there be classes based on things you actually need to do in real life, instead of those damned art class you have to do for 9 years in my district.
In highschool I toke a Shop class specifically dealing with working with metal, and a drafting class.
The metal one involved latheing stuff, and the drafting is exactly as it sounds.
Those skills are 'very' valueable, Hell, in this economy, if your plans for college don't pan out, having 'some experience' is better then none. ;)
 

mike1921

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There's a difference between a shop class that is probably optional and being forced into learning how to paint and do other crap that's semi-useless.

Anyone who chooses to go to shop either has an interest in it or plans to do something related to it for a living. The first leading to the second sometimes.
 

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sneakypenguin said:
No not by race, but by gender.
EDIT
Also segregating classes not schools(thread title is to catch eyes)

We where discussing this in my business ethics class today...
Well done! It's akin to screaming "racist" out loud during Black History Month (check your calendar...)
sneakypenguin said:
...I personally find separating schools/classes by sex to be a good thing, boys and girls both learn differently so why not teach them differently? It would also lessen the distraction of the whole middle school/high school dating/flirting crap that goes on...?
-The reason that they are called "the formative years" is because it is the time that children are learning their core reactions to their immediate surroundings; 'setting their default parameters' in computer operating system philosophy. I'd say that the 'reinforcing preconceptions' toggle should be set per child by the administrating parent, not by some sweeping, sociology-biased bureaucratic gesture.
-All of the "flirting crap" I'm guessing you don't enjoy is all based around the hot pursuit of information about the mysterious opposite gender. Boost the communication/learning, remove the mystery. Boost the mystery, add to the distraction when it is inevitably encountered. This also applies to knowing how the other gender takes in data for the sake of those wanting to aid a companion with homework, or those who at some point may need raise a child, should the flirting prove successful.

Of course if the show must go on, I'd say that the children should be made fully aware of the basis for the separation. Maybe even turn the division into it's own class/course of study:

Personal Immediate Surrounding Interactive Influence Studies - Students will be required to experience both extremes of a particular segregated environment, and will be required to write a series of essays explaining the segregative aspects and details of each environment, as well as how and to what extent each environment is affecting their ability to view, take in, understand, and interpret any and all data they are introduced to.

Quick and easy path to a federal grant, wouldn't you say?
 

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mike1921 said:
There's a difference between a shop class that is probably optional and being forced into learning how to paint and do other crap that's useless for most people.
Well, I do believe those classes should be mandatory, or at least a 'version of them'.
Every school I went to had electives, that you were requried to complete X number of credits for, and shop classes tend to be in those lists. They are 'mandatory' but they 'arent'. Aka youg et to 'choose' which one you want to try...
As for the 'art' stuff, In highschool, I can't say I was ever required to do art classes... Below that. yea, But there is kinda a point to it. But then, I remember having to take shop classes pre-highschool to, so if anything it sa type of 'introduction' to them, so you can later show interest in something you may not have had... But those types of classes shhouldn't hang anyone up for getting into highschool...
 

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If I had to chose, I'd put my kids in a co-ed school. The social aspect is very important to me. I think that the idea off all-boy and all-girl is great, but I'd prefer my kids to know how interact with people.
 

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Segregation is NEVER a good idea, with the possible exception for sex ed classes. Even then, it couldn't hurt for boys to learn more about girls and vice versa.
 

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170 people voted no as of now.

Thats 170 people who post in offtopic sections of a video game forum.

Face it: even if you are in the same room as the fabled females, you'll still never get laid.

Meanwhile the rest of the middleschool students are fingering eachother in studyhall. Segregate public schools and enforce strict uniforming. Hell, they are opening gay-only schools in illinois. Children have no rights until they turn 18. Private schools may do as they wish.
 

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Every school I went to had electives, that you were requried to complete X number of credits for, and shop classes tend to be in those lists. They are 'mandatory' but they 'arent'. Aka youg et to 'choose' which one you want to try...
There's a difference between choosing between a bunch of electives, and being forced to do one thing that's worthless for almost everyone. Also, choosing a sub-category of shops is barely even a choice.
.. Below that. yea, But there is kinda a point to it.
no there isn't.
But then, I remember having to take shop classes pre-highschool to, so if anything it sa type of 'introduction' to them,
...using a paint brush as an introduction to working with metal?
so you can later show interest in something you may not have had...
A kid's not gonna be interested in shop because he loves coloring
But those types of classes shhouldn't hang anyone up for getting into highschool...
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Everyone is blowing this social aspect out of proportion, segregating classes shouldn't influence how you socialize with others. ALl you are doing is just structuring a few classes to better teach the genders, I fail to see how this leads to years of social awkwardness and horrible gender relations.
 

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Sewblon said:
joystickjunki3 said:
Your head may in the right place in terms of intention, but boys and girls must learn how to properly interact on a social level if they are to succeed in life. Most of us, if not all, learn this sort of cross-gender social interaction from our school days. And besides, the genders don't learn all that differently from each other as far as I know.

EDIT: Although, I'm plenty willing to amend my statements if proven wrong.
Males have physically greater gaps between our left and right brain hemispheres than those of females. So we actually think and learn differently.
My point was more along the lines of how much differently do we learn, but I'll accept that as evidence for my speaking too soon.
 

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I'm just wondering, but don't people actually communicate with the other gender outside of school?
 

mike1921

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Face it: even if you are in the same room as the fabled females, you'll still never get laid.
........You assume that's the reason they voted?
Segregate public schools and enforce strict uniforming. Hell, they are opening gay-only schools in illinois. Children have no rights until they turn 18. Private schools may do as they wish.
So, "they have no rights" so "it right to take away what little rights the school gives them' when those rights are minor and removing them helps nothing.
 

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stompy said:
I'm just wondering, but don't people actually communicate with the other gender outside of school?
I always thought so, most of my friends came outside of school.... But apparently class time is the only time they can socialize. Seems like most(many) on here are like "oh noes how will I evar see teh girlz if they aren't forced to be around me?!"
I actually figured the poll numbers would be a lot closer, but I suppose you learn something new every day.