Poll: Should UK police be given guns as standard issue?

miketehmage

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The reason I'm thinking of this is because of the riots, police are unable to act effectively because the country removes power from them when people are able to sue for police brutality.

Our police are equipped with pepper spray and big sticks.

Lets look for a moment at our American cousins... Oh wait, guns and tazers.

Police in this country are simply taken as a joke, and it's not their own fault, it's because we won't allow the use of proper equipment to act as a deterrent.

From what I've heard the riots started after a peaceful protest which occured because a criminal was shot by a police officer. (After shooting at him first I've heard)

If that's the case then good, hats off the the officer. I want to shake his hand. What the fuck country do we live in where someone can shoot at a police officer and people don't expect there to be repercussions for it?

Fuck that. And by the way, I'm saying this from Scotland, so I'm not even near the riots, but I know that if it started here, we wouldn't be doing any better. It'd be the same bullshit.

Edit: I'm aware that arming the police wouldn't stop the riots, (And of course I don't expect them to fire upon people rioting) but it would make people think alot harder before they burn innocent's houses down.

Also, I know our gun control is really tight and that's great, but why can't we maintain that control, ASWELL as arming our police force?

Double edit: Allow me to clear this up, as I think most of you think I want the police to use firearms against the riots, which is not at all what I want. The riots are simply what got me thinking of the police force overall.

Also people are saying that we have special armed police units that are very effective. And that's true, but do they get called in before or after an unarmed police officer with a family waiting at home is gunned down?
 

demonsbanenathan

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019225/Kelly-Thomas-Police-beat-taser-gentle-mentally-ill-homeless-man-death.html

Because giving police lethal weapons is always a great idea.
 
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[HEADING=1]No[/HEADING]

We predicted someone would ask this question. It's wrong. You cannot balance this by firearms. Please, for the love of god, stop trying to arm the English.

That is all.
 

Spygon

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One of reasons why the riots started was due to the police shooting someone in the head.More guns would make this even worse
 

Rawne1980

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If police are issued firearms then the "street gangs" and the like would take up heavier firepower.

We'd end up like America (no offense intended to our American friends but the idea of morons like the riots show in the UK owning fire power is not my idea of a great Britain).

When that starts happening then your everyday family would end up owning a gun just to feel safe in their own homes.

In short, no. If we start giving police guns then it's just going to escalate. It won't improve the situation it would just get worse.
 

thelonewolf266

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You know in america the police are armed and yet riots still happen there.Not to mention the tens of thousands of people that die from gun related incidents each year which guess what, doesn't happen when you have tight gun controls despite our police not being armed.
 

Handbag1992

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Spygon said:
One of reasons why the riots started was due to the police shooting someone in the head.More guns would make this even worse
Please remember that the officer only returned fire. He was just a better shot than the punk with the gun.

OT: Nope, get out the water cannons or something but we do not need more guns.
 

thelonewolf266

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Spygon said:
One of reasons why the riots started was due to the police shooting someone in the head.More guns would make this even worse
Actually he was shot once in the chest and he was a drug dealer and apparently he had a gun so the whole thing is ridiculous anyway.Its not about him dying even if it was a just thing to riot about its just opportunists that like stealing and breaking things.
 

Gaiseric

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I'm all for guns(NRA!), but the UK is different and their police not having guns seems to work just fine. If the UK thought arming the police would help I'm sure they would have done it. Besides having lethal force isn't the thing police need during riots and I don't think the police having guns would prevent riots.
 

Cpt_Oblivious

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No, we have already have armed police. They hang around Parliament and do special protection stuff. Arming everyone who joins the force is asking for trouble.
And besides, does every police officer need a gun? No. The vast majority of crimes can be and are fought effectively without them and if weapons are necessary, the specialists (see above) are called in. What you're complaining about are the police's tried and tested riot and crowd control methods, which work. Anyone who disagrees has never felt the weight and power of a police truncheon (Here's a hint: They fucking hurt).
 

Thaluikhain

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Um...firearms to stop riots?

Even if you issue the police with firearms, you don't use them against rioters.
 

The Lunatic

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No.

Are you really suggesting that the police force should deter unarmed civilians with the threat of death?

Are you really suggesting that unarmed civilians should be aimed and possible even shot at?
 

b3nn3tt

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No. Just no. That would only serve to make things infinitely worse, and almost certainly to more riots in protest. I am yet to see any good argument as to why arming the police force is a good idea, and these riots certainly aren't going to sway my opinion.

There is nothing going on that couldn't be resolved using non-lethal measures. If the police were all armed, then the only outcome would be dead civilians.

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Thanatus1992 said:
Spygon said:
One of reasons why the riots started was due to the police shooting someone in the head.More guns would make this even worse
Please remember that the officer only returned fire. He was just a better shot than the punk with the gun.
Actually, the guy didn't fire first, that was what people initially thought, but the only bullets fired were from police officers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/07/police-attack-london-burns
 

Voration

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
[HEADING=1]No[/HEADING]

We predicted someone would ask this question. It's wrong. You cannot balance this by firearms. Please, for the love of god, stop trying to arm the English.

That is all.
I agree, there aren't many people as crazy as the Brits, imagine us with firearms... oh wait, the Brits founded America with the help of our European friends the French, Spanish etc...
 

wooty

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
[HEADING=1]No[/HEADING]

We predicted someone would ask this question. It's wrong. You cannot balance this by firearms. Please, for the love of god, stop trying to arm the English.
I agree, especially seeing as this whole mess was "supposedly" kicked off by someone getting shot by the police.
 

ShindoL Shill

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demonsbanenathan said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019225/Kelly-Thomas-Police-beat-taser-gentle-mentally-ill-homeless-man-death.html

Because giving police lethal weapons is always a great idea.
because its not like the american police fuck up like that
OT: dont give them guns, but its situations like this that had SWAT/GSG9 etc formed: a situation that, with their current training and equipment, the normal police could not deal with and the army cannot be deployed.