Poll: TF2 UPDATE, do you think the Razorback is real?

[VZLANemesis]

Ok, so i know we (many people) are excited for the bow update for the sniper, it looks fun, and who wouldn't wanna see people on walls filled with arrows? So... ok that HAS to stay.
But I think the razorback was a bad weapon to prepare us for the "the update is a spy" joke.
I mean, talking from personal experience (and yes, I really suck at playing sniper, but...) I wouldn't be willing to trade my kukiri nor my machine gun for a weapon specially against one measly weapon of one class, it just doesn't add up. I take care of the spies with the kukiri and of everyone else with the machine gun (when they're kinda close), and besides somewhere in the update it said that the Razorback would also slow you down a little, so you would be even weaker against other classes, the pyro could get to you quicker (you wouldn't run back as fast), same against the heavy, specially if he has the other minigun.

So sorry for the wall of text, but what do you guys think? is the razorback here to stay?

 

[oliveira8]

Its real yeah.

Its the answer to the thousands of complaints about that the sniper is the N.1 target for Spies.

These weapons are just optional you are not forced to wear the Razorback and not all achievement weapons are usefull for every ocasion.

 

[VZLANemesis]

Its real yeah.

Its the answer to the thousands of complaints about that the sniper is the N.1 target for Spies.

These weapons are just optional you are not forced to wear the Razorback and not all achievement weapons are usefull for every ocasion.

Mmm... they're not useful for every occasion but they're not THAT specific, most of them have many uses, that's the point, but this is the only one with only one use, against a single weapon of a single class. If it worked for every melee weapon, that would be decent, but only the knife. Dunno, really does seem weak too me.

POST PEOPLE!!!

 

[grinklehi]

It's going to be real alright, and I can understand why it was made. The Huntsman is designed for snipers who want to get near the thick of things, where the scope kinda gets in the way. The Razorback is better for Area Denial Snipers, as they just gained one more way to hold the area from the enemy with the razorback giving them a 2nd chance vs Spys so as to provide continued area denial after the offending spy is dealt with.

 

[VZLANemesis]

It's going to be real alright, and I can understand why it was made. The Huntsman is designed for snipers who want to get near the thick of things, where the scope kinda gets in the way. The Razorback is better for Area Denial Snipers, as hey just gained one more way to hold the area from the enemy with the razorback giving them a 2nd chance vs Spys so as to provide better area denial after the offending spy is dealt with.

I really REALLY don't have the slightest clue of what you are talking about, could you elaborate? Really sorry.
What do you mean by "Area Denial Snipers" or with "area denial"?

 

[wasalp]

its real yo, its all about the close range. I mean man how many times were you just running into enemy base with a push and then boom, you died cuz of a spy who backstabbed you. With the bow you wont need your machinegun so much as you used to.

 

[Blind0bserver]

It's going to be real alright, and I can understand why it was made. The Huntsman is designed for snipers who want to get near the thick of things, where the scope kinda gets in the way. The Razorback is better for Area Denial Snipers, as hey just gained one more way to hold the area from the enemy with the razorback giving them a 2nd chance vs Spys so as to provide better area denial after the offending spy is dealt with.

I really REALLY don't have the slightest clue of what you are talking about, could you elaborate? Really sorry.
What do you mean by "Area Denial Snipers" or with "area denial"?

What he means in a nutshell:

1) The Huntsman is better for close-range fighting because unlike the sniper rifle you don't have to worry about trying to "no-scope" an enemy.
2) "Area Denial" is pretty self explanatory. It means your denying the enemy from entering an area, usually by killing them. Fairly simple.
3) Thanks to the Razorback a Sniper can survive a sneak-attack by a Spy, meaning they can kill their would-be killer and keep suppressing an area.

 

[CakeDragon]

If it wasn't real, then when the Spy update came (on day 4) all the Sniper stuff would have been changed too, surely? I dunno, maybe they'll release an extra three days or something to cover what they originally gave the Sniper. I think the Razorback's for keeps.

 

[oliveira8]

Its real yeah.

Its the answer to the thousands of complaints about that the sniper is the N.1 target for Spies.

These weapons are just optional you are not forced to wear the Razorback and not all achievement weapons are usefull for every ocasion.

Mmm... they're not useful for every occasion but they're not THAT specific, most of them have many uses, that's the point, but this is the only one with only one use, against a single weapon of a single class. If it worked for every melee weapon, that would be decent, but only the knife. Dunno, really does seem weak too me.

POST PEOPLE!!!

Yeah but you see. A sniper is not meant to be in the middle of the fight anyway, if you getting repeatdly killed by everyone else, that aren't spies or other snipers, you probably doing something wrong.

Everything else you can avoid. Demoman trowing grenades at your spot, move away for awhile till he gets killed or moved on target. Soldier launching rockets the same. You get the idea. If a class manages to get close to your spot you bust a move and get the hell out of the place. The only class you don't see coming at you is the spy.

The SMG aint that a great weapon, poor damage and short ammo clip it isnt that usefull vs everything else but spies.

The only sucky part of the Razorback is that its only usefull once. So you should direct your hate torwards that and not "Only good agaisnt spies.".

 

[Meatstorm]

As a spy player im not too fond of razorback, only time will tell if it'll be really used.

 

[orangebandguy]

Any spy with half a brain will know that 3 shots with the revolver or maybe one shot with the ambassador will kill a sniper. The razorback is one of the worst ideas ever.

 

[grinklehi]

It's going to be real alright, and I can understand why it was made. The Huntsman is designed for snipers who want to get near the thick of things, where the scope kinda gets in the way. The Razorback is better for Area Denial Snipers, as hey just gained one more way to hold the area from the enemy with the razorback giving them a 2nd chance vs Spys so as to provide better area denial after the offending spy is dealt with.

I really REALLY don't have the slightest clue of what you are talking about, could you elaborate? Really sorry.
What do you mean by "Area Denial Snipers" or with "area denial"?

Area Denial means that if the enemy pokes his head out in an area the sniper can see, the sniper will shoot him, making sure they cannot get in, so they "Deny the enemy the ability to travel in the area", so, Area Denial. This has classically been the primary role of the Sniper, aside from topping the scoreboard.

 

[The_Commander_of_Offworld]

Yeah, even after the sudden switch to the spy, I think the razorback is real, because it serves a direct purpose, and gives the sniper a better defense against the spies. It does a lot to help a sniper survive, without needing to check his back every few moments.

 

[Gerkuman]

Is it really such a bad idea? Snipers are not slow like heavies. They could get out the way of the revolver before they're killed. Whereas, a backstab kills instantly. Plus, their SMG is considered a sub-par weapon by many players, who generally stick with the kuriki knife.

I'm all for this Razorback.

 

[Jupsto]

Any spy with half a brain will know that 3 shots with the revolver or maybe one shot with the ambassador will kill a sniper. The razorback is one of the worst ideas ever.

yeah I usually have to use revolver on many snipers anyway since they camp with backs to the wall. although today and a few times they somehow dodge the 3rd shot and 1 hit you back... >.>

 

[Darth Brownie]

yes, because there's a spy achievement with the razorback

 

[VZLANemesis]

Yeah but you see. A sniper is not meant to be in the middle of the fight anyway, if you getting repeatdly killed by everyone else, that aren't spies or other snipers, you probably doing something wrong.

Yes, yes he is that's the whole point of the bow.

Everything else you can avoid. Demoman trowing grenades at your spot, move away for awhile till he gets killed or moved on target. Soldier launching rockets the same. You get the idea. If a class manages to get close to your spot you bust a move and get the hell out of the place. The only class you don't see coming at you is the spy.

That's another part that I cleared up annoyed me, reduced movement speed while carrying it, so if you wanna get away from somebody other than a spy going for you (more often than not, a pyro) you're screwed. And even the sniper would then use the new gun to screw you while you aim, it's EVEN more useless with the newest spy update in place.

The SMG aint that a great weapon, poor damage and short ammo clip it isnt that usefull vs everything else but spies.

Nobody uses the SMG against spies, that's what the kukiri is for, the spy is likely to kill you if you go shooting the SMG against him, either with the knife or the new gun.

The only sucky part of the Razorback is that its only usefull once. So you should direct your hate torwards that and not "Only good agaisnt spies.".

And there's THAT, now that the spies have the clock thingy, they can stab you twice... so fuck yeah, RAZORBACK FTW!!! /sarcasm

 

[VZLANemesis]

Any spy with half a brain will know that 3 shots with the revolver or maybe one shot with the ambassador will kill a sniper. The razorback is one of the worst ideas ever.

Thank you... finally somebody thinking it right.
(and by right, I obviously mean "thinking like me" ^^)
PD. I'm not arrogant, but I just don't see the utility of the damn weapon.

 

[Gerkuman]

I'm unsure why people are questioning when this exists when Shack News got the double update confirmation straight from Valve itself, and the current TF2 blog posts says 'Sniper/Spy Update'

 

[VZLANemesis]

yes, because there's a spy achievement with the razorback

Is that so? could you please link?
EDIT: just checked the Spy Update day 5, saw nothing about an achievement having to do with the razorback, how is it called?