Poll: Tony Abbott thinks you should wait till marriage to have sex, ladies!
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The quote has a nice romantic touch to it. But waiting before marriage is an outdated train of thoughts
Why am I not surprised? (Also, he's trying to win votes? Because, uh.)Radelaide said:
Your virginity is not a present. Your ladybits are not a present. What the hell.Tony Abbott said:
People have always been having sex in their teens, it's just mostly they got married young and died young. This no sex until you're 18 thing is mostly a recent Western phenomenon, and even in the 40s and 50s teenagers were having sex, it was just not talked about and the consequences for women were astronomical (the consequences for men were... not.)
The way virginity is sanctified makes me feel ill. It's wildly sexist and icky -- women are the ones who are pressured to be pure and virginal, and when they aren't it's taken as an indicator of her inherent lack of quality. Even the words used -- "losing" your virginity, ick, like you're making this huge sacrifice or taking a chunk out of yourself.
No sex until marriage is a terrible idea. Sex is a very important part of a healthy relationship. You might have the best relationship with someone ever, then get married only to find out you simply aren't sexually compatible leading to a stressful marriage. It's a much better idea to engadge in intercourse with your potential life partner sooner rather then later to make sure that you are sexually compatible. Plus it's just, well, swell.
Tony Abbott said:
Well, looking at what he is saying from this quote alone, he seems to just be saying that sex is important, so dont treat it lightly. It does not have to imply that he is advocating sex before marrage, that seems to be an assumption (albeit, a reasonable one) from his apparant Christian views.
Anyway, on the topic of sex before marrage- its a personal choice, its your body, you own it, you decide what you want to do with it.
I never got the whole virginity is sacred thing. Sex is fun! If you take care of yourself, why the hell not have fun with someone you love (or otherwise, depending on how liberal you are)
Whoever this guy is, his views are extremely outdated.
Whoever this guy is, his views are extremely outdated.
Wait, is he just saying that honourable ladies should keep their virginity till marriage but young men an go around having sex with whoever they like?
That's more than misogyny, that's hypocrisy.
On the other hand it does appear that he is just being a protective father which is to be expected if he only has little girls, how else do you expect a father to act? I'm not sure if he really feels the same about ALL young women in Australia.
Bottom line: wear a condom and it is not problem AT ALL.
That's more than misogyny, that's hypocrisy.
On the other hand it does appear that he is just being a protective father which is to be expected if he only has little girls, how else do you expect a father to act? I'm not sure if he really feels the same about ALL young women in Australia.
Bottom line: wear a condom and it is not problem AT ALL.
My family has a very strong hatred of Tony Abbott, like even more than Howard back when he was still ruling the country with an Iron Fist. I personally think that imposing such values, especially in a religious context something of which society does not as a whole follow any more, is kind of pointless.
I'd say give the person you loose it to some thought and you might get lucky and only have to do it with one person but do not be dictated to by religion.
Stupid.
Stupid.
Speaking as a Christian Australian... I don't give two shits about what women do or don't want to do in their own (or others) bedrooms. Its their choice and there's to make.
But in his defence, he is saying that's the advise he'd give his daughters, not the country, and if I'll be honest if I have daughters I reckon I'll be giving them the same advice (as well as waving a shotgun or machette in the face of any bloke who even looked at them funny). Whether they heed my advice is another matter altogether.
But in his defence, he is saying that's the advise he'd give his daughters, not the country, and if I'll be honest if I have daughters I reckon I'll be giving them the same advice (as well as waving a shotgun or machette in the face of any bloke who even looked at them funny). Whether they heed my advice is another matter altogether.
It's funny, Tony Abbott actually has a brother (Tim, I think) who is in the Christian heirachy but doesn't share the same conservative views and is actually a bit of a champ. Don't paint all Christians with the same brush - some of them actually have really sensible, realistic views about these issues. Tony just isn't one of them.Radelaide said:
No-one in Australia really listens to Tony Abbott though so it's not much of a concern. Even when his party was in power no-one paid much attention, and now that he holds no power at all, meh, who cares what he says, he could tell us all to wear pink pajamas if he wants. Michael Atkinson, on the other hand...
Virginity isn't sacred, it's more just boring than anything else. As soon as I hit puberty I couldn't wait to lose it. I of course did have to wait anyway, but I haven't been a virgin for nearly 15 years and I'm not married yet, and I don't feel any "less sacred" because of that.
promiscurity hasnt changed at all through through time its just people are more honest and open about it.Radelaide said:
Wrong.Sev said:
I don't see how it makes him a hypocrite.
Think about it: if he knows now that having premarital sex is bad, then he's not a hypocrite for saying it's bad, regardless of whether he once did it when he was younger.
That being said, he probably shouldn't be ordering people what to do with their bodies. When it comes to virginity, to each his/her own.