Poll: was i out of line?

[tofulove]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

No, I don't think that your actions were out of line.

 

[Delsana]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

Except then Jesus countered it, because it was the time of forgiveness.

 

[tofulove]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

Except then Jesus countered it, because it was the time of forgiveness.

what i remember was turn the other cheek, if i remember correctly never said eye for an eye makes the hole world blind. plus gandhi was a real person. i don't care what your story book has to say about a fictional character. don't get me wrong emulating jesus is a noble feet, but impractical for society as a hole.

 

[Delsana]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

Except then Jesus countered it, because it was the time of forgiveness.

what i remember was turn the other cheek, if i remember correctly never said eye for an eye makes the hole world blind. plus gandhi was a real person. i don't care what your story book has to say about a fictional character. don't get me wrong emulating jesus is a noble feet, but impractical for society as a hole.

Actually Jesus was proven to exist historically, by both the king, the governor, numerous tax representatives and many things, he was also confirmed to die the way it was said. It was the mystical things never proven, but of course, that's hard to prove.

 

[tofulove]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

Except then Jesus countered it, because it was the time of forgiveness.

what i remember was turn the other cheek, if i remember correctly never said eye for an eye makes the hole world blind. plus gandhi was a real person. i don't care what your story book has to say about a fictional character. don't get me wrong emulating jesus is a noble feet, but impractical for society as a hole.

Actually Jesus was proven to exist historically, by both the king, the governor, numerous tax representatives and many things, he was also confirmed to die the way it was said. It was the mystical things never proven, but of course, that's hard to prove.

you gave me a good giggle, one there is no secular evidence of him being real, the few pieces they have 'found' was proven to be fake. 2 only paul was able to be alive during the time of jesus, and never said he was a living being on earth, every one else in the new testament for the most part happen 100 years + after his death. so no real evidence is there. pluss if you have a guy walking around one of the most wealthy provinces in rome. curing the sick and blind, raising the dead, walking on water and so on, you think there be some secular evidence. this was the height of the roman empire. had a functioning news system, and apparently important enough to the roman army to be killed by them, but yet not one piece of secular evidence.

or are you on of those its my faith god told them to write it goof balls. if so have fun in your make belief world, where magic people live in the sky.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

Except then Jesus countered it, because it was the time of forgiveness.

what i remember was turn the other cheek, if i remember correctly never said eye for an eye makes the hole world blind. plus gandhi was a real person. i don't care what your story book has to say about a fictional character. don't get me wrong emulating jesus is a noble feet, but impractical for society as a hole.

Actually Jesus was proven to exist historically, by both the king, the governor, numerous tax representatives and many things, he was also confirmed to die the way it was said. It was the mystical things never proven, but of course, that's hard to prove.

you gave me a good giggle, one there is no secular evidence of him being real, the few pieces they have 'found' was proven to be fake. 2 only paul was able to be alive during the time of jesus, and never said he was a living being on earth, every one else in the new testament for the most part happen 100 years + after his death. so no real evidence is there. pluss if you have a guy walking around one of the most wealthy provinces in rome. curing the sick and blind, raising the dead, walking on water and so on, you think there be some secular evidence. this was the height of the roman empire. had a functioning news system, and apparently important enough to the roman army to be killed by them, but yet not one piece of secular evidence.

or are you on of those its my faith god told them to write it goof balls. if so have fun in your make belief world, where magic people live in the sky.

I'm practically an atheist, your argument loses merit when you hit the part I bolded.

Is it that much of a stretch that a guy named Jesus Christ actually existed and was just a nut job that believed he was the son of God and was killed on a cross?

 

[tofulove]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

Except then Jesus countered it, because it was the time of forgiveness.

what i remember was turn the other cheek, if i remember correctly never said eye for an eye makes the hole world blind. plus gandhi was a real person. i don't care what your story book has to say about a fictional character. don't get me wrong emulating jesus is a noble feet, but impractical for society as a hole.

Actually Jesus was proven to exist historically, by both the king, the governor, numerous tax representatives and many things, he was also confirmed to die the way it was said. It was the mystical things never proven, but of course, that's hard to prove.

you gave me a good giggle, one there is no secular evidence of him being real, the few pieces they have 'found' was proven to be fake. 2 only paul was able to be alive during the time of jesus, and never said he was a living being on earth, every one else in the new testament for the most part happen 100 years + after his death. so no real evidence is there. pluss if you have a guy walking around one of the most wealthy provinces in rome. curing the sick and blind, raising the dead, walking on water and so on, you think there be some secular evidence. this was the height of the roman empire. had a functioning news system, and apparently important enough to the roman army to be killed by them, but yet not one piece of secular evidence.

or are you on of those its my faith god told them to write it goof balls. if so have fun in your make belief world, where magic people live in the sky.

I'm practically an atheist, your argument loses merit when you hit the part I bolded.

Is it that much of a stretch that a guy named Jesus Christ actually existed and was just a nut job that believed he was the son of God and was killed on a cross?

well if that was the case, why worship him, and still lacking in evidence. its some one says there a flying teacup in orbit around the sun. sure there could be, but there no evidence of it so why believe it.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

Except then Jesus countered it, because it was the time of forgiveness.

what i remember was turn the other cheek, if i remember correctly never said eye for an eye makes the hole world blind. plus gandhi was a real person. i don't care what your story book has to say about a fictional character. don't get me wrong emulating jesus is a noble feet, but impractical for society as a hole.

Actually Jesus was proven to exist historically, by both the king, the governor, numerous tax representatives and many things, he was also confirmed to die the way it was said. It was the mystical things never proven, but of course, that's hard to prove.

you gave me a good giggle, one there is no secular evidence of him being real, the few pieces they have 'found' was proven to be fake. 2 only paul was able to be alive during the time of jesus, and never said he was a living being on earth, every one else in the new testament for the most part happen 100 years + after his death. so no real evidence is there. pluss if you have a guy walking around one of the most wealthy provinces in rome. curing the sick and blind, raising the dead, walking on water and so on, you think there be some secular evidence. this was the height of the roman empire. had a functioning news system, and apparently important enough to the roman army to be killed by them, but yet not one piece of secular evidence.

or are you on of those its my faith god told them to write it goof balls. if so have fun in your make belief world, where magic people live in the sky.

I'm practically an atheist, your argument loses merit when you hit the part I bolded.

Is it that much of a stretch that a guy named Jesus Christ actually existed and was just a nut job that believed he was the son of God and was killed on a cross?

well if that was the case, why worship him, and still lacking in evidence. its some one saying there a flying teacup in orbit around the sun. sure there could be, but there no evidence of it so why believe it.

I don't know why people believe in it dude, but I do not think it's that much of a stretch that the guy existed and created a bit of noise and was executed and during the years that followed when the story was re-told over and over (before eventually written down) a lot of shit got exaggerated.

Really if you're going to argue religion, just stick to the easy shit to disprove. The coming back alive after 3 days of being dead, the walking on water, the parting of the red sea. The shit that's taken "on faith".

 

[BeeGeenie]

Dishing out corporeal punishment, or any punishment really, to other people's kids is out of line, yes.
Carrying them out of your yard and getting their parents to pay damages is perfectly reasonable.

Twisting ears is very painful, but their mother overreacted.

I want you to try an experiment: Grip your ear lobe firmly between your thumb and index finger. Give it a tug. Was that "very painful" NO. No it wasn't. Unless that 12 year old boy was wearing earrings and tore the skin, it was not painful, it was mildly uncomfortable. So he can suck it up.

 

[SirPlindington]

Twisting their ears was a bad idea, but they did damage your property. I think your actions were justified.

 

[Chalacachaca]

Every man has its breaking point, they broke yours as soon as they broke your window, damaged your fence and tresspassed your property. Yeah, maybe grabbing their ears wasn't a good action on your part, but what the hell are you going to do? put me in that situation and maybe I would've not resorted to twisting their ears, but I would've punctured their football and yelled at them while tossing obscenities.
Not really mature but hey, I can be pretty irrational when sufficiently angry.

 

[Something Amyss]

Usually my policy is `If you have to ask- probably`.

A good rule to live by.

Also, these are usually heavily in favour of the storyteller. When he said he tried to calm the mom down by explaining the situation, I picture him screaming at the top of his lungs.

I'm not saying he's lying, just that I've seen enough of these stories to assume the worst from the storyteller.

 

[OniaPL]

It's not like walking them out by their ears will give them permanent ear damage or something.

In my own opinion, no, you were not out of line. It was discipline, and that is not "manhandling" or something like that. Kids are not made out of porcelain.

However, in society's eyes, you are a fucking bad man who raped these young children's innocence.

Captcha: heated debate

 

[tofulove]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

Except then Jesus countered it, because it was the time of forgiveness.

what i remember was turn the other cheek, if i remember correctly never said eye for an eye makes the hole world blind. plus gandhi was a real person. i don't care what your story book has to say about a fictional character. don't get me wrong emulating jesus is a noble feet, but impractical for society as a hole.

Actually Jesus was proven to exist historically, by both the king, the governor, numerous tax representatives and many things, he was also confirmed to die the way it was said. It was the mystical things never proven, but of course, that's hard to prove.

you gave me a good giggle, one there is no secular evidence of him being real, the few pieces they have 'found' was proven to be fake. 2 only paul was able to be alive during the time of jesus, and never said he was a living being on earth, every one else in the new testament for the most part happen 100 years + after his death. so no real evidence is there. pluss if you have a guy walking around one of the most wealthy provinces in rome. curing the sick and blind, raising the dead, walking on water and so on, you think there be some secular evidence. this was the height of the roman empire. had a functioning news system, and apparently important enough to the roman army to be killed by them, but yet not one piece of secular evidence.

or are you on of those its my faith god told them to write it goof balls. if so have fun in your make belief world, where magic people live in the sky.

I'm practically an atheist, your argument loses merit when you hit the part I bolded.

Is it that much of a stretch that a guy named Jesus Christ actually existed and was just a nut job that believed he was the son of God and was killed on a cross?

well if that was the case, why worship him, and still lacking in evidence. its some one saying there a flying teacup in orbit around the sun. sure there could be, but there no evidence of it so why believe it.

I don't know why people believe in it dude, but I do not think it's that much of a stretch that the guy existed and created a bit of noise and was executed and during the years that followed when the story was re-told over and over (before eventually written down) a lot of shit got exaggerated.

Really if you're going to argue religion, just stick to the easy shit to disprove. The coming back alive after 3 days of being dead, the walking on water, the parting of the red sea. The shit that's taken "on faith".

not the worlds job to disprove it, but gods job to prove it. there is no evidence. a christian would laugh there ass off at the story of scientology, but will tell you with a strait face jesus is real. both stories have about as much evidence backing it, so why laugh scientology out the door but take the bible seriously.

 

[VoidWanderer]

Usually my policy is `If you have to ask- probably`.
You should have taken the kids out of your garden, but you should not have twisted their ears.

*Takes a deep breath*

Yeah, what Phasmal said.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

Except then Jesus countered it, because it was the time of forgiveness.

what i remember was turn the other cheek, if i remember correctly never said eye for an eye makes the hole world blind. plus gandhi was a real person. i don't care what your story book has to say about a fictional character. don't get me wrong emulating jesus is a noble feet, but impractical for society as a hole.

Actually Jesus was proven to exist historically, by both the king, the governor, numerous tax representatives and many things, he was also confirmed to die the way it was said. It was the mystical things never proven, but of course, that's hard to prove.

you gave me a good giggle, one there is no secular evidence of him being real, the few pieces they have 'found' was proven to be fake. 2 only paul was able to be alive during the time of jesus, and never said he was a living being on earth, every one else in the new testament for the most part happen 100 years + after his death. so no real evidence is there. pluss if you have a guy walking around one of the most wealthy provinces in rome. curing the sick and blind, raising the dead, walking on water and so on, you think there be some secular evidence. this was the height of the roman empire. had a functioning news system, and apparently important enough to the roman army to be killed by them, but yet not one piece of secular evidence.

or are you on of those its my faith god told them to write it goof balls. if so have fun in your make belief world, where magic people live in the sky.

I'm practically an atheist, your argument loses merit when you hit the part I bolded.

Is it that much of a stretch that a guy named Jesus Christ actually existed and was just a nut job that believed he was the son of God and was killed on a cross?

well if that was the case, why worship him, and still lacking in evidence. its some one saying there a flying teacup in orbit around the sun. sure there could be, but there no evidence of it so why believe it.

I don't know why people believe in it dude, but I do not think it's that much of a stretch that the guy existed and created a bit of noise and was executed and during the years that followed when the story was re-told over and over (before eventually written down) a lot of shit got exaggerated.

Really if you're going to argue religion, just stick to the easy shit to disprove. The coming back alive after 3 days of being dead, the walking on water, the parting of the red sea. The shit that's taken "on faith".

not the worlds job to disprove it, but gods job to prove it. there is no evidence. a christian would laugh there ass off at the story of scientology, but will tell you with a strait face jesus is real. both stories have about as much evidence backing it, so why laugh scientology out the door but take the bible seriously.

Dude I'm not invested in it enough to look for it but I'm sure there is secular evidence the guy named Jesus existed... and regardless if there is or not, that's something I can understand someone taking on faith. A human being existing isn't a stretch by any means. It's perfectly acceptable in the laws of our reality for the guy to have existed.

Theres PLENTY of absurd shit to nit pick on every religion, don't go after the shit that can actually be plausible. It makes the rest of us look bad.

 

[tofulove]

I don't think you were, not even for the ear twisting (which frankly sounds totally situationally appropriate, and is exactly how it would have happened if it had been a movie). Kids should have known better than to trespass, assuming they knew it was someone's property. Lady shouldn't have yelled at you for it, but her reaction is quite understandable. She was angry, and probably a bit scared about what you were doing; odds are nobody has ever actually laid hands on her kids before (and I'd say that after trespassing and vandalizing your private property, somebody probably ought to).

Could you have handled it better? Yeah, you could have just tracked down their parents and courteously requested compensation. But at the same time, your actions will have a rather more lasting impact on all of them. And you didn't try to kill anyone, or cause permanent harm. Nobody was threatened. And everything was paid for. As long as there's no legal problems, I'd say you did fine.

Legally, it was child abuse.

There's a very big legal problem here.

Again, I sense hypocrisy for everyone forgetting what happened when they were young kid...

Depends on the region.
And by legal problems, I mean depending on whether anyone wanted to press charges. Generally, the police don't fuss with things unless people take issue with them.

And what exactly is it that we're all forgetting here?

You guys all broke things when you were really young, or your parents did, and you didn't want to take responsibility and you fled... and now look at you all taking issue with it and acting as if it's the worst thing ever and punishment ever made you stop.. bahaha such hypocrisy.

Right, but we got caught, we got punished, and we were forced to take responsibility for ourselves. What they did is not the worst thing ever, its not good, but nobody's dead or psychologically scarred. But I'm glad to hear that they got caught, they got punished, and someone took responsibility for it. Maybe one of these days they'll shape up to be decent, responsible adults like many of the other kids who did stupid things and got punished. But one thing's for sure, if they don't get punished then they probably won't learn to behave themselves.

And Punishment did, usually, make me stop.

Punishment doesn't stop things, it makes you get better at hiding it. Your "usually" indicates this. It's not punishment that gives you self-introspection, it's maturity and development of self through experiences based on your own capacity and capabilities and drives. Not the forced drives of others.

sure it does, if some one murders some one else, and you kill them for there crime. they wont be doing any more murdering. for major crimes make examples out of people, for minor crimes focus on teaching them a better way. rapist, murders, people with multiple assaults and so on deserve the harsh punishments as a warning to others, more petty crimes focus on the rehabilitation to make them a functioning member of society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

for some people, if you don't take there eye out, they will keep ripping other peoples eyes out. more importantly your showing every one else what happens when you do some thing that stupid. for people who do horrible deeds against there fellow human, horrible deads befall them as a reminder. lesser evils should be treated as mental illness and focus on healing instead of crucifying.

an eye for an eye doesn't apply to every thing. when Gandhi said it, he new he couldn't beet the English with force, and new with mass media could win the war with the hearts and minds of the English populace. but a guy who murdered his wife for insurance pay out cant be compared to what gandhi faced. a person who casually took some one else life for personal gain is some thing society needs to remove. you cant fix every one, when some one is at the point of making money with murder, or murdering for fun. you remove them and let every one else who might take that path know what happens when you do.

now a 19 year old kid who is poor and steels a car for personal gain can be saved, with some therapy and skill training, you can send that kid back into the world able to support him self and be a functioning member of society. Leniency on those who can be saved. make an example of those who cant.

The eye for an eye statement is actually an interpretation of something in the bible said by Jesus.

eye for an eye makes the world blind was said by gandhi in the movie, but no evidence that he actually came up with it.

eye for a an eye, tooth for a tooth was in the bible, and that was telling you to literally take a tooth if they take one from you.

Except then Jesus countered it, because it was the time of forgiveness.

what i remember was turn the other cheek, if i remember correctly never said eye for an eye makes the hole world blind. plus gandhi was a real person. i don't care what your story book has to say about a fictional character. don't get me wrong emulating jesus is a noble feet, but impractical for society as a hole.

Actually Jesus was proven to exist historically, by both the king, the governor, numerous tax representatives and many things, he was also confirmed to die the way it was said. It was the mystical things never proven, but of course, that's hard to prove.

you gave me a good giggle, one there is no secular evidence of him being real, the few pieces they have 'found' was proven to be fake. 2 only paul was able to be alive during the time of jesus, and never said he was a living being on earth, every one else in the new testament for the most part happen 100 years + after his death. so no real evidence is there. pluss if you have a guy walking around one of the most wealthy provinces in rome. curing the sick and blind, raising the dead, walking on water and so on, you think there be some secular evidence. this was the height of the roman empire. had a functioning news system, and apparently important enough to the roman army to be killed by them, but yet not one piece of secular evidence.

or are you on of those its my faith god told them to write it goof balls. if so have fun in your make belief world, where magic people live in the sky.

I'm practically an atheist, your argument loses merit when you hit the part I bolded.

Is it that much of a stretch that a guy named Jesus Christ actually existed and was just a nut job that believed he was the son of God and was killed on a cross?

well if that was the case, why worship him, and still lacking in evidence. its some one saying there a flying teacup in orbit around the sun. sure there could be, but there no evidence of it so why believe it.

I don't know why people believe in it dude, but I do not think it's that much of a stretch that the guy existed and created a bit of noise and was executed and during the years that followed when the story was re-told over and over (before eventually written down) a lot of shit got exaggerated.

Really if you're going to argue religion, just stick to the easy shit to disprove. The coming back alive after 3 days of being dead, the walking on water, the parting of the red sea. The shit that's taken "on faith".

not the worlds job to disprove it, but gods job to prove it. there is no evidence. a christian would laugh there ass off at the story of scientology, but will tell you with a strait face jesus is real. both stories have about as much evidence backing it, so why laugh scientology out the door but take the bible seriously.

Dude I'm not invested in it enough to look for it but I'm sure there is secular evidence the guy named Jesus existed... and regardless if there is or not, that's something I can understand someone taking on faith. A human being existing isn't a stretch by any means. It's perfectly acceptable in the laws of our reality for the guy to have existed.

Theres PLENTY of absurd shit to nit pick on every religion, don't go after the shit that can actually be plausible. It makes the rest of us look bad.

i think religion is dangerous. there ignorant faith is trying to hold progress of society back. if some one told me napoleon had 6 toes and and webbed fingers, sure he might of. but there is no evidence so im not going to believe them that was the case, but like many nut jobs they will than say napoleon wants me to go tell every one to hate this group of people and to chase them out of the community because they offend his delicate senses, and he hates stim cell research so we should give up finding cures for all these horrible things. and while your at it, go blow up this buss, its full of heathens who dont believe napoleon has web hands, but instead lord nelson is the true lord.

 

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Next time instead of doing your own version of discipline you should do what would for sure be legally ok and detain the child (by tying them up or locking them in a room that they cant get out of) and call the police and have the child arrested. The parents will have to bail the child out of jail and then you can go and have an estimate for your fence and greenhouse down by whoever you want and the parents will have to pay it, along with the bail and court fees. Then no one can be mad at you because you are only doing what the government said you should do.