I like how you phrased that, it makes me think of Communism as a form of computer program. Like if Apple ran a country, and Microsoft invaded.Manatee Slayer said:they would probably take over the country and install communism.
They sure did. 4 years before...Regiment said:-The Japanese had enough of an air force to get to Pearl Harbor and do a lot of damage.
Welcome to the escapist! Might I introduce you to our wonderful new technology known as the search button?Manatee Slayer said:*snip*
Well, in essence it wasn't, but I get what you mean. I wouldn't have thought three days delay, in any case. Furthermore, peace talks aren't necessarily begun with an immediate surrender, so I think, and this is just my opinion, they they could have started the talk regardless. Confirmed reports were reliably sent, though.JaredXE said:They also couldn't believe that an entire city was wiped off the face of the earth. They had to check that out first. Nothing like that had ever been seen before, so of course High Command could be a bit sceptical about it, hence a delay in any kind of peace talks.Sephychu said:After the first bomb was dropped, three days were given to make peace agreements. The Japanese remained firm in their decision to continue the war.
That's the big one, though. Japan was in a bad position and unwilling to accept defeat, and directly confronting such an enemy can't end well. America was basically forced to choose between "kill a whole lot of people" (bomb) or "probably kill a whole lot more people than that" (war).HK_01 said:They sure did. 4 years before...Regiment said:-The Japanese had enough of an air force to get to Pearl Harbor and do a lot of damage.
By that time, the Japanese air force and navy were utterly crushed. That's why they [used desperation tactics]
Operation Overlord:Me55enger said:I reckon if you tallied it up now, you'd find that more have been lost to date from two A-Bombs over two days than a land-based invasion of a resource starved country with the Morale of a British Somme soldier in 1916.oppp7 said:Saved a lot of lives, but it's caused a lot of health issues with everyone for years afterwards.
Plus, many of the generals advised against it when it was being decided.
I don't usually completely disagree with anyone, but I can't understand how you feel that the killing of over a hundred and fifty thousand civilians (alot of them by the after effects of the blasts, which is an absolutely horrid way to die) was justified to save the lives of many less allied soldiers, who would have actually had a chance to survive the war, whereas those hit by the bomb had no idea what was happening, and were civilians.SnootyEnglishman said:It wasn't completely necessary to do it, however, would the Americans have engaged them on land we would have lost many more men to the Japanese armies because at the time those soldiers would not have surrendered until the Emperor had given the final word. The bomb was our way of telling them "we aren't fucking around here"
If my belief was to fight until the last man...probably not...Two, wouldn't you change your mind after two bombs leveled two cities, and killed loads of people. I know that if someone dropped two A-Bombs on my country, I'd have the treaty written real fuckin' quick.
This is one thing I like to point out. The Japanese are not a hive mind. A common response to this question is "they would never surrender" and even worse, "the citizens were trained to kill US soldiers if they invaded. Even school girls." However, while that element was certainly present, it doesn't represent the entire populace.Manatee Slayer said:If my belief was to fight until the last man...probably not...Two, wouldn't you change your mind after two bombs leveled two cities, and killed loads of people. I know that if someone dropped two A-Bombs on my country, I'd have the treaty written real fuckin' quick.
I've always disagreed with people who say that three days was a sufficient time to give Japan.Sephychu said:Not to be almost disgustingly insensitive, but they would say that.TheNamlessGuy said:Apparently it's true.Sephychu said:Que?
This is not accurate, to my understanding.
A bunch of really old japanese guys have said so in interviews.
After the first bomb was dropped, three days were given to make peace agreements. The Japanese remained firm in their decision to continue the war.
And yet they still refused to surrender and infact were training a vast number of civilians to fight any American invasion (if their own figures are to be believed, something like 28 million [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Fighting_Corps] - and given the kamikaze, I'm fully willing to believe they would have charged US marines with spears). As such, even with Air and Sea superiority, American casualities would have been high - and even if they weren't, millions of Japanese would have been killed in the fighting; far more than where killed by the nukes themselves.Manatee Slayer said:-The Japanese had virtually no Navy or Airforce to speak of.
True, this includes food, so this option was causing mass starvation agmonst the Japanese population, who where still refusing to surrender. Its highly likely that had the war continued, the Japanese would have starved to dead in their millions rather than surrender. And all the time they where holding out, thousands of POWs where being used as slave labour and worked to dead, millions of Chinese were undergoing the same, and thousands of Chinese women were being used as sex slaves.-The Americans had blockaded Japan, meaning they couldn't get any imported recources, which is nearly everything. lol
The Russians didn't declare war on the Japanese until after the first atomic bomb was used.-The japanese were terrified by the thought of the Russians coming, due to the fact they had lost to them before and that they would probably take over the country and install communism.
I believe they were only willing to accept conditional surrender - the Allies refused to accept conditional surrenders from either Japan or Nazi Germany, partly due to the war crimes they had committed, partly because the Axis forced had to accept that they were defeated, as the Allies didn't want a repeat of this war, like what happened at the end of WW1.-Many high ranking officials were against the attack saying it was unnesisary and that the Japanese were ready to surrender anyway.
As great a man as Churchill was, he wasn't the god of all knowledge, and certainly wasn't an expert on what was happening on the pacific front.-Winston Churchill in his book ("The World At War") said that the bombs did not play any part in the defeat of Japan.
...Ok... thats option stated as fact - I think dropping two super weapons on the Japanese made it extremely clear to them that, inspite of their 'warrior spirit' and 'devotion to die to protect the Emperor', it simply wouldn't be enough - it showed the Japanese that the US could simply wipe them out with minimum to zero casualities if the Japanese refused to accept the unconditional surrender.-The only reason people think that the bombs won the war in the Pacific is due to American Propagada.