tjcross said:
DaOysterboy said:
dude chill this isn't the youtube comments section if you're don't care why are you writing about two paragraphs worth of writing to tell people that. does it really bother you that you always see a pirate related thread in the forum box. it's just on peoples minds right now i could get mad about the fact that my sister wears ankle sock and swear at her for it but i don't because it's petty. and why use the f word so much the f word has lost most of it's sting and effect now-a-days and only proves you are not intelligent enough to do this in a mature fashion and instead go back to what you think is the "coolest" angry word you can find and in case you're wondering yes i do care about pirating i am also a counter-troll so go back to youtube and get off the escapist. if you want to talk like that because all you are proving is that you are either an attention hog, the type of person who punches people to get them to shut up or a troll who just likes to irritate people using simple words and foul language.
Fine I'll calm down. But a) YES it does irritate me that there is ALWAYS (and there IS ALWAYS) a piracy thread or three in the active forums box. The discussion as I said is way overdone, nobody even TRIES to see the point from other views, and most irritatingly, it's all just talk. b) Ankle socks would make a much more productive discussion. c) The F-word (if you must censor) came out a grand total of twice, and not because I was trying to "sting" anyone or sound cool. The anger bit was probably right on, and yes probably unwarranted, so I apologize for that. d) Youtube, being the epicenter of unwarranted self-importance holds no interest for me.
If you wish to discuss the topic AGAIN then fine. Here are some questions I want answered before it goes any further.
A) Can you contribute anything NEW to the discussion? If not take your games and go home.
B) Why do the pirates cling to the argument that "We'll buy it if we like it." Can you show me any statistical evidence? "I bought such and such after pirating it" isn't good enough, because I have a friend who looked at my game collection and says "Oh you like such and such? You know I could get you anything you wanted for free." Gimme a damn number and not an anecdote.
C) Why do you feel that you shouldn't have to pay for it? If we argue to the extremes, sure piracy probably doesn't mean millions of people who would otherwise buy the product. That's just silly. It also doesn't mean NOBODY who pirated would have bought the product. That's just as silly. Let's just look at the absurd for a moment. If EVERYONE pirated the game who was able to, game publishers would sell maybe a few dozen copies to cracking groups and the rest would download their cracks. Couple hundred bucks in sales for a multi-million dollar game. That doesn't work. So I ask the pirates "why do YOU get special treatment when the rest of us play by the rules?" Inability to pay is not sufficient reason.
D) Why post here? If you have strong feelings for or against piracy why cry about it on the internet? Why not write your representatives or the law firms who are taking these cases on? If you care why not attempt to make a difference.
For people on the other side:
A) Is it a matter of supporting the devs, supporting the economy, or just a moral decision?
B) Do you think people should be excluded from playing games because they're broke?
C) Even if the pirates went away the DRM wouldn't. The problem was addressed, preventative measures were taken. The potential for the problem won't go away so neither will the DRM. Is it worth getting worked up over? It was really inevitable.
My final 2 cents (before I oblige tjcross and find someplace that doesn't need to discuss piracy ad nauseum EVERY DAY): Pirates won't change. They can give reasons and excuses for why they don't pay for things, but they'll just find new ones once they're gone. If it's too expensive, go without. The games industry is doing quite well at the prices games are set at, and piracy only shows them that "there's more demand", so prices will only go up with piracy. The excuses don't change from region to region. Australians who say "We pay too much for games!" at $100 a pop are echoed in the same forums by Americans who pay half that, so I don't buy the argument that you'd all change your ways if suddenly the price came down. Secondly, I'd like to see what figures are for what DRM really costs. It can't really be that much in comparison to the problem they see piracy as (or the used game market or whatever barrier to their income they see). So "putting it back into the game" probably wouldn't account for any improvements. Lastly, the whole "try before you buy" bit doesn't convince me. Most games have demos. Those that don't get reviewed extensively. Many are available to demo in stores and there's always rentals. If you need to play through the entire game to decide if you'd like to purchase the game to play through it then your logic is flawed.
EDIT: Ad hominem attacks are a bad ploy to take if you plan on commenting on someone else's intelligence.
