Poll: Which is worse: Rape or Murder?

[DarkhoIlow]

Murder is worse,because after rape you don't die.

It may take a long time to recover from it,but at the end of the day you don't lie six feet under in a coffin.

 

[ProjectTrinity]

This is going to be tricky answering without someone getting riled. @_@

So basically, I feel murder is *far* worse. For one, I feel that if a rape victim would have vastly preferred death over living through the ordeal, the suicide rate should at least be higher in that area, rather than the 13% there is. [http://www.suicide.org/rape-victims-prone-to-suicide.html] For two, if you can justify taking someone's life, there very sense of freedom, redemption, second chances, the joys that life offers and send them to the unknown (Heaven, Hell, Nothingness, your choice), either out of revenge, "justice", or self-defense, then all you have to do is go out of your comfort zone of morality and apply the same logic to rape. With that said, I'm going to raise my shields now and say that your typical reasons for either of these acts in my books is worthy of a shot to the head, and if you raped someone, suffering before the shot to the head. I just don't think a regular slimeball rapist/killer has the same value of life as a good person does. And for three? Saying there's no reason for rape as a reason it's worse won't work. There's absolutely no reason to spit on someone, either, or to name call. Does that make it worse than murder?

All this said, when you kill someone, there's no coming back to that. There's no long road to recovery and eventual happiness. And in most cases, this happens to the good people of this world. Rape victims for the most part, survive, and many of them, stronger (though it REALLY shouldn't happen to them in the first place. ~_~;; ).

tldr: Murder is worse to me; kill both types of criminals that have flimsy and/or no true justifications for their actions. I hope rapists get raped, murderers murdered, and my opinions stem from a dark yet insightful novel. ~_~

 

[ezeroast]

I had an ex who was raped. She had a terrible time coming to terms with it and trusting anyone at all. But she is/was ALIVE. She could laugh, cry, joke, get anrgy and LIVE! Something that the skum who did that to her could never take away.
Had she been killed both her and I would have missed out on so much.

Murder is fucking evil. Rape is fucking evil also but there is a chance for recovery.

 

[dkyros]

And for those who said rape its only bc you haven't been murdered yet. Once its happened to you, it changes everything.
Sure rape is never justified, its never like, "It was either i rape her or she would've raped me" but it is something that both parties survive to tell the tale. And however diminished that existence is bc of the rape it is better than non-existence in my mind.
So next time you say rape is worse i think you need to answer this question. Given the choice would you rather be raped or killed by someone. If raped you would be free to go later.

 

[Auxiliary]

Rape creates a more fucked up human.
Murder removes a fucked up human from this world.
Rape is more evil than murder!

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[DYin01]

Murder. You don't survive it. You survive rape.

For me, that's all there is to it. Anyone saying otherwise is pretty much saying that your life after being raped is worse than being gone forever. I find that very hard to believe.

 

[FirmartheTrilby]

I decided without too big problems why? Murder can be also as slow as rape however after it's done you are pretty much dead thus you don't have to suffer anymore. Rape on the other hand will most likely follow you till the end of your life. Now to be honest I am person who dislikes people who can't get over bad expriences and keep whining and saying how horrible it is/was, I had few myself and they were really bad and I got over it and live normal life...well almost I am pc nerd and into japan stuffs and I am kinda anti-social bunny but hey most of humans are assholes so screw them! Otherwise I am normal! But even so I still believe rape is worse.

 

[Lineoutt]

Damn, I'm surprised so many people picked murder.

Murder can be justified, rape cannot.

This. Yeah wtf guys, I don't think you understand the psychological impact that rape has. It makes you into a broken person, it kills a part of you. You can't just go on with life, a large of percentage of people who are raped commit suicide. I would rather be killed and I wouldnt wish rape on my worst enemy (actually I might be ok with hitler) but that's it.

 

[AMAZED]

Murder can be Justified

Rape on the other hand, Can not!

Some might deserve to die (As cold and inhuman it may sound to some)

It's a greyzone. Depending on the circumstances, the act of Rape is much worse than the act of Murder. The physical and mental torture that rape is, can long term seem much worse if the victim is traumatized badly afterwards.
Though ending another persons life, who might not deserve it is ultimately worse.

You can't put the two crimes up side by side, without the answerer having to give a thorough explanation of his/her choice afterwards.

how can you justify murder, vigilante justice is not justice it's revenge and that not only will get you locked up but for all you know that person was innocent, a fair and honest trial is the best way to ensure true justice is served now sometime it doesn't work out but thats due to the incompetence of the prosecutor or in some cases the defense. In killing someone who "deserved it" you are stooping to their level making yourself just as guilty of murder as he is.

 

[cynicalsaint1]

I've seen people saying that murder can be justified where rape cannot. This is completely true, you cannot accidentally rape someone in self defense for example.

Actually this is untrue - you can't accidentally murder someone or murder someone "in self defense". That's just (In)Voluntary Manslaughter at best. Murder very specifically means the unlawful killing of a person with malice aforethought - in other words you decided that you were going to kill the other person before you actually did it.

For the crime to be Murder the perpetrator has to be shown to have been acting with criminal malice and intent.

That said I really don't understand why there's any debate. Don't get me wrong, rape is plenty bad - but its not ending a life. You can recover from rape and live a normal life. And unless you've been raped yourself I really don't want to hear crap like "It makes you wish you were dead" because really that's just a bunch of anecdotal BS. Even if it is true - when do they say this? A couple hours after the rape? A couple years? 10 years? Are you honestly saying that every rape victim out there spend the rest of their days wishing they were dead? I'm sorry I don't buy that.

Is rape traumatic? Yes. But its something you can recover from. I'd like to know just how the hell someone is supposed to recover from being murdered.

 

[Gigano]

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Heh... sorry, I'm not really a confrontational person... dammit, lol

Nothing wrong with that either

Just shouldn't blame yourself for no reason at all. All you did was not liking rape and show empathy towards the cruel fates of those you had read about; Both of which are nothing but commendable.

 

[Grigori361]

Why choose? I like to do both.

 

[Magikarp]

Death is the same for everyone, but how people recover from rape varies from person to person. Some people might come away from it without too much damage, but some people might be emotionally traumatised beyong repair.

 

[Madman123456]

Murder. The physical Wounds of a "normal" Rape heal rather fast and the others would have a better chance of healing if it weren't for the People around the Victim.
I knew a Rape Victim once and every time someone who didn't hear about this happening to her did hear it, normal Conversation was impossible.
Everyone of them tried pathetically hard to not touch this one topic although they wanted to come up with something to say so badly it was painful. The poor girl was getting pushed in the "handle with extreeeeeme Care, rather do nothing then something wrong" Corner by her Friends who wanted to be "there" for her but where so scared of doing something wrong.

It's like the Rapist turned her emotional state into something so fragile you let no one even come close.

Rape is something one can get over. Some people need a rhetorical kick in the ass to get them moving out of their hole again; Please don't make that hole even deeper by depicting rape worse then it already is because it doesn't need that, it's worse enough on its own.

 

[norwegian-guy]

Murder can be Justified

Rape on the other hand, Can not!

Some might deserve to die (As cold and inhuman it may sound to some)


You can't put the two crimes up side by side, without the answerer having to give a thorough explanation of his/her choice afterwards.

The definition of murder is strips it of any chance to be redimable or ethical ambigious. The act of killing may be justified in some situations (though much rarer than people like to think) but never murder.

 

[Saluki_princess]

Taken as a whole, I'd say that murder is worse than rape.

We must remember that rape's psychological effects have a lot to do with how a society views rape. As alarming as this seems, the act of rape is not inherently bad. Nothing is inherently bad (including the most gruesome premeditated murder you can think of). Legally, in America, rape can be committed when the rapist thinks he's having consensual sex. On the same hand, a person can be raped without thinking of it as rape. This most often happens in areas where women's rights are limited and patriarchy is extremely strong.

That said, not everyone who is raped will need years of intensive therapy or lose the will to live. Not every victim will suffer greatly or have their life ruined. As a matter of fact, this belief about people who have been raped contributes to the problem (in some cases, a self-fulfilling prophecy). How can we expect rape survivors to lead happy, whole lives again when society tells them that it's nearly impossible, when society says that they are worse than dead?

I see this rape-is-worse-than-or-equal-to-murder mentality in the West (I cannot speak for any other region) as, largely, backlash from the unfortunate days when people thought of rape as a minor offense or a crime of passion, something that just wasn't "that big of a deal."
So now, if anyone suggests that any rape that occurs isn't the worst thing that could possibly happen to any person, it sounds incredibly ignorant and inconsiderate to rape survivors.

That said, I agree with those who have said that murder is worse for the victim's loved ones while rape is worse for the victim--after the fact, of course. As far as we know, a dead person doesn't feel anything, but a rape victim inevitably feels pain, whether it's overwhelming or relatively small.

I'm judging it this way: Some horrible entity appears in front of you and gives you two choices. Right this moment, you can be murdered (by a stranger with no torture, and a bullet to the head that kills you instantly), or you can be raped (by a stranger with no diseases and no risk of pregnancy). Which would you choose?

I forgot to point out that I'm aware that women can be rapists and (even more likely) men can be victims. Just going by the numbers for my pronoun selection.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

I've known 3 girls who have been raped, although I never asked directly I kind of got the impression they would not have preferred death.

 

[Saluki_princess]

Murder. The physical Wounds of a "normal" Rape heal rather fast and the others would have a better chance of healing if it weren't for the People around the Victim.
I knew a Rape Victim once and every time someone who didn't hear about this happening to her did hear it, normal Conversation was impossible.
Everyone of them tried pathetically hard to not touch this one topic although they wanted to come up with something to say so badly it was painful. The poor girl was getting pushed in the "handle with extreeeeeme Care, rather do nothing then something wrong" Corner by her Friends who wanted to be "there" for her but where so scared of doing something wrong.

It's like the Rapist turned her emotional state into something so fragile you let no one even come close.

Rape is something one can get over. Some people need a rhetorical kick in the ass to get them moving out of their hole again; Please don't make that hole even deeper by depicting rape worse then it already is because it doesn't need that, it's worse enough on its own.

Thank you so much for making this point. I cannot agree with you more. I too have a friend who was raped, and I treat her like a normal person instead of someone who has been irrevocably ruined. I am ashamed to say that, at first, I was surprised by how "normal" she acted after it (without forcing it; she doesn't try to hide it when she's sad or upset). So many people do not realize how damaging that is to someone who's already been hurt.