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Poll: Why do lots of people hate Heavy Metal?
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Are you seriously surprised that people don't like metal?
Genre's very rarely fare well when you evaluate them in terms of other genres. When you are looking through things through the lens of popular music, things like a catchy beat, good singing (in the traditional sense of the word), sing along choruses etc. are all seen as positive things. Things like supreme technical skill aren't seen as particularly important and things like dischordance are seen as a bad thing. Metal often lacks in these first things and puts more emphasis on the latter ones. Therefore when you are evaluating metal in terms of pop music, it generally rates as very bad.
Conversely, when a metal fan describes a song as "brutal" or "crushing", he means that its a good thing. Yet words like "up beat", "catchy", "bouncy" or "dreamy" are unlikely to mean anything to him, may even be considered negatives. In other words, this works in both directions.
I think in an ideal world, people would appreciate all genres of music based on their relative merits. There's no reason why you can't appreciate both the light hearted and lyrical whimsy of a Belle and Sebastian song and, when the mood strikes you, be able to put on the latest Sunn O))) album and bathe in its brutal, crushing volume.
I for one really dislike people that listen only or mostly to heavy metal. Nothing wrong with heavy metal per say, but I'm singling it out because people seem to be exclusive metal listeners more than any other genre. They also seem to be particularly intolerant of other genres (the number of ignorant rap bashing rants I've seen on this forum is ridiculous). Metal is good for pumping yourself up or blowing off steam What do you listen to when you just want to chill out? or on a sunny afternoon? or just want to have a dance? or are feeling melancholy? By listening exclusively to metal, you are missing out on a massive RANGE of good music.
TLDNR:Most of the hatred between genres is based on people looking for different things from their music. Ultimately people should strive to have an appreciation for all genres.
Also, don't rag too hard on this guy because he obviously has negative mental associations with the genre. I hate to speculate, but I'm sure if his brother was driven to the brink of suicide by indie or rap or pop then he would likely think less of those genres too. Its perfectly acceptable not to like something because of purely personal reasons. Thats called subjectivity.
Genre's very rarely fare well when you evaluate them in terms of other genres. When you are looking through things through the lens of popular music, things like a catchy beat, good singing (in the traditional sense of the word), sing along choruses etc. are all seen as positive things. Things like supreme technical skill aren't seen as particularly important and things like dischordance are seen as a bad thing. Metal often lacks in these first things and puts more emphasis on the latter ones. Therefore when you are evaluating metal in terms of pop music, it generally rates as very bad.
Conversely, when a metal fan describes a song as "brutal" or "crushing", he means that its a good thing. Yet words like "up beat", "catchy", "bouncy" or "dreamy" are unlikely to mean anything to him, may even be considered negatives. In other words, this works in both directions.
I think in an ideal world, people would appreciate all genres of music based on their relative merits. There's no reason why you can't appreciate both the light hearted and lyrical whimsy of a Belle and Sebastian song and, when the mood strikes you, be able to put on the latest Sunn O))) album and bathe in its brutal, crushing volume.
I for one really dislike people that listen only or mostly to heavy metal. Nothing wrong with heavy metal per say, but I'm singling it out because people seem to be exclusive metal listeners more than any other genre. They also seem to be particularly intolerant of other genres (the number of ignorant rap bashing rants I've seen on this forum is ridiculous). Metal is good for pumping yourself up or blowing off steam What do you listen to when you just want to chill out? or on a sunny afternoon? or just want to have a dance? or are feeling melancholy? By listening exclusively to metal, you are missing out on a massive RANGE of good music.
TLDNR:Most of the hatred between genres is based on people looking for different things from their music. Ultimately people should strive to have an appreciation for all genres.
Also, don't rag too hard on this guy because he obviously has negative mental associations with the genre. I hate to speculate, but I'm sure if his brother was driven to the brink of suicide by indie or rap or pop then he would likely think less of those genres too. Its perfectly acceptable not to like something because of purely personal reasons. Thats called subjectivity.
Fairly off topic but did you know metal listeners are the social group (as defined by musical tastes) most likely to be social and freindly, those least likely were alternative listeners. I'm a mostly metal with a fair slop of alternative so either everyone loves me and I push them away or I love everyone and they push me away... Either way I end up alone but at least I have Drowning Pool ^_^
OT: Just like I can't really differenciate a lot of pop and rap non metalheads just hear the same chuggy noise from what they tell me. I don't really know many people who hate metal... my best mate dissaproves buthe likes jazz so he doesn't get a say we tolerate each other so its fine
OT: Just like I can't really differenciate a lot of pop and rap non metalheads just hear the same chuggy noise from what they tell me. I don't really know many people who hate metal... my best mate dissaproves but
I never said i wasn't a closed minded arrogant moron did i?Papadam said:
And why should they listen to "good metal" when any metaller will try and push them out or tell them that their taste sucks or that they wouldn't understand the music?
I cant count the amount of times i have heard "oh your into metal huh?" "yeah, i really love X band, they are my favourite" "oh lol, you like X band? thats so lame. why dont you go over there and talk to the 12 year olds and leave the real metallers alone"
And metallers wonder why people dont like them?
Bludge said:
Seriously, I have heard drum and bass blasted from midnight - 3 or 4 in the morning, I have heard it blasted on buses, heard it from cars racing round from midnight - 3 or 4 in the morning and you can hear from one end of the street to the other.
No music is "hard" or "inaccessable" to get into, go to youtube, type in a band name you have heard of in whatever field you want to get into and follow the links to find other bands in the same field.
There are people in metal who get very angry when you incorrectly pigeon hole a band, those same people are also in every other group, or get angry about some other bull shit.
I have met far more ignorant and arrogant people outside of metal, all coming up with the exact same point "it is all just loud noise and I can't understand the singer" then go onto the typical "all metal fans are dirty satanists who want to suck the devils cock and they should all die in a fire" or "there all dirty emo's who cut themselvs with dity, rusty razer blades".
It's like me saying "all drum and bass is, is some heavy bass line and melody over the top. Only simple minded people listen to it while there racing corsa's pissed on stella", when in fact I like pendulum, blood sugar and slam (tarantula isn't bad either).
Haters gonna hate and people love to fight. If you listen to mainsteam everyone gets mad cause ya like mainstream and only mainstream. If ya like Indie people are gonna hate on you for liking bands no one has heard before and think you are pretentious. If you like certain genres of rock people are gonna hate on you and call you emo. See were I am going with this?
Personally, I just listen to what I want to and don't care what anyone thinks. My mix CD in my car right now goes from Sugar Ray to Rage Against the Machine to Buddy Holly to Kanye West and I jam out equally loud to all of them.
Personally, I just listen to what I want to and don't care what anyone thinks. My mix CD in my car right now goes from Sugar Ray to Rage Against the Machine to Buddy Holly to Kanye West and I jam out equally loud to all of them.
Whats that got to do with anything i said? just out of interest.omega 616 said:
And what about when your metaller frends tell you that band you have been listening to suck and you should listen to another band that dont do anything for you, and if you dont and carry on listening to the stuff you like you get ostracised by half the people you know?omega 616 said:
That and the fact that it just plain is a difficult genre to get into depending on what you are listening to. if someone comes from listening to main stream pop and then someone plays them some anaal nathrakh, are you honestly telling me its not gonna all sound the same to them until their ears start to pick out the things they have never had to listen out for before?
Oh i totally agree, you find those people everywhere, but in my personal experience it is the most concentrated and the most aggressive within the metal scene.omega 616 said:
And im just saying that the most outspoken and agressive people with opinions that shallow have been within the metal crowd.omega 616 said:
That made me laugh because i actually drive a corsa. haha. dont drink stella though.omega 616 said:
There's some great bands out of Italy \m/_TonyCapa said:Sorry about that. I think one of the worst stereotypes is that we worship satan. Some metalheads do but I'm pretty sure one rapper or two does it too. I try to break them to. I'm italian and I've have people tell me "Your italian, you people don't like metal". One of the wierdest statements I've ever heard.Redlin5 said:Quote when replyingTonyCapa said:
Its just a common courtesy here my friend.
And I have no idea why I'm supposed to judge you by your choice of music. Does the fact I listen to jazz, techno, latin and classical music make me abnormal?
Humanity, always looking for stereotypes. I try to break them but I'm just one man.
There's a ton of bands with opera quality female leads (old Nightwish, Epica [though in fairness there's alot of Epica that has a the growly side to), opera quality male leads (Kamelot), great female clean vocalists (one as mentioned above from Italy.. Lacuna Coil) and great male clean vocalists (Sonata Arctica, Blind Guardian). Those bands are some of my favs as I don't exactly like the pointless screaming, but then again I am a die-hard Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir fan... so... lolEclectic Dreck said:
im not really "racist" about music. i listen to all types of music. i only judge music on their genre, and i listen to the peoples abilities. like i find that in R&B they have incredible singers. while i folk music has insane finger picking skills. and screamos are just great to mosh to. so i never understand how people can say someones a bad musician. any kind of musician whos gotten signed has some kind of skill that peopleenjoy, and they should be celebrated for their talents, not hated.
I don't know man. I want to agree with you but...Meg White happens to exist...goddz001 said:
And that doesn't even delve into the realm of the lip-syncing and ghost writing that goes on in some areas of music.
[quote="Cormyre" post="18.255035.9536387There's some great bands out of Italy \m/_[/quote]
I'm not FROM Italy, I'm an Italian-Canadian. I only listen to 1 band from Italy and not very often.
I'm not FROM Italy, I'm an Italian-Canadian. I only listen to 1 band from Italy and not very often.
Because most people tend to generalize metal as the following:
- Idiotic, loud music with no sense of song writing, depth, or composition.
- For an audience that can't get into anything intelligent.
- For people who are stuck in the 1980's.
- Something that's good but they can't get into the music because of the vocals.
- The ultimate point I cannot stand: I can't understand what they are saying because of the way they vocalize their sound.
1. Listen to Opeth, Dark Tranquility, Bathory, Emperor, Blind Guardian, and Therion.
2. Understand the the above bands I just listed are in the exact same genre, but have completely different playing styles that range from blues, folk, classical music, classic rock, trance, etc...and that they incorporate many different elements of music into their playing style.
3. Heavy metal shouldn't be viewed from the popular MTV sellpoint. It's a genre that's truly set apart from the mainstream rock categories. I'm looking at you Radiohead!
4 and 5. Read the lyrics, give it a chance, try to understand it. Don't see it as "screaming" or the inability to sing. Give it a chance and it will be considered the exact same to you as singing.
On an unrelated note, getting into metal helps if you like the following topics and categories:
- Mythology.
- Ancient Culture.
- Fantasy literature.
- Horror, death, and carnage...and the mentality to try to comprehend why these things go on within the world.
- Originality in the guitar and how it makes music.
- Anti-religious or an anti-establishment standpoint. I'm a Christian and can understand these points of view however, given the negative aspects combined within it in the past. I tend to keep an open mind about things though.
- On a related note to the above post, check out the band Orphaned Land. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all together in one band with a Middle Eastern style of music. This is what heavy metal truly is: Being openminded towards everything.
- A blend of eclectic musical styles.
- The true evolution of music which started with Chuck Berry, Muddy Waters, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, and so on.
That's truly the best explanation I can offer.
- Idiotic, loud music with no sense of song writing, depth, or composition.
- For an audience that can't get into anything intelligent.
- For people who are stuck in the 1980's.
- Something that's good but they can't get into the music because of the vocals.
- The ultimate point I cannot stand: I can't understand what they are saying because of the way they vocalize their sound.
1. Listen to Opeth, Dark Tranquility, Bathory, Emperor, Blind Guardian, and Therion.
2. Understand the the above bands I just listed are in the exact same genre, but have completely different playing styles that range from blues, folk, classical music, classic rock, trance, etc...and that they incorporate many different elements of music into their playing style.
3. Heavy metal shouldn't be viewed from the popular MTV sellpoint. It's a genre that's truly set apart from the mainstream rock categories. I'm looking at you Radiohead!
4 and 5. Read the lyrics, give it a chance, try to understand it. Don't see it as "screaming" or the inability to sing. Give it a chance and it will be considered the exact same to you as singing.
On an unrelated note, getting into metal helps if you like the following topics and categories:
- Mythology.
- Ancient Culture.
- Fantasy literature.
- Horror, death, and carnage...and the mentality to try to comprehend why these things go on within the world.
- Originality in the guitar and how it makes music.
- Anti-religious or an anti-establishment standpoint. I'm a Christian and can understand these points of view however, given the negative aspects combined within it in the past. I tend to keep an open mind about things though.
- On a related note to the above post, check out the band Orphaned Land. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all together in one band with a Middle Eastern style of music. This is what heavy metal truly is: Being openminded towards everything.
- A blend of eclectic musical styles.
- The true evolution of music which started with Chuck Berry, Muddy Waters, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, and so on.
That's truly the best explanation I can offer.
Try singing over this.the27thvoice said:
OT: I'd ignore them. Don't try to argue with people like that, it'll give you a headache.
I am one of the biggest metalheads here (if not the biggest); I am willing to listen to just about anything if it's written well; dubstep, noise and yes, even hip-hop if it's written well. Metal just so happens to be the form of music I'm interested in at the moment.
Which reminds me, I need to go looking for some good non-metal. XD
Aaaanyway, I bring Lord. You guys'll love this. I know I do.
Didn't want to quote him this much to say I'm Canadian or Italian descent but it's still enough for people to say "Your italian, you people don't like metal".Cormyre said:There's some great bands out of Italy \m/_TonyCapa said:Sorry about that. I think one of the worst stereotypes is that we worship satan. Some metalheads do but I'm pretty sure one rapper or two does it too. I try to break them to. I'm italian and I've have people tell me "Your italian, you people don't like metal". One of the wierdest statements I've ever heard.Redlin5 said:Quote when replyingTonyCapa said:
Its just a common courtesy here my friend.
And I have no idea why I'm supposed to judge you by your choice of music. Does the fact I listen to jazz, techno, latin and classical music make me abnormal?
Humanity, always looking for stereotypes. I try to break them but I'm just one man.