Poll: World Of ......Starcraft?????

[Digitaldreamer7]

I'll be interested to see how anyone attempts to turn an RTS into an MMO, and End of Nations may prove to be that template.

Um wow is based of the warcraft RTS games so fail..

Id absolutely love a MMO based on starcraft, I think it needs to be an MMOFPS like planetside though. Something like wow wouldn't translate well to units that use guns constantly.


As many have already mentioned the next blizzard MMO will be a brand new IP, which, might just be talked about at blizzcon this year. WoW is at it's peak and I think the new gameplay mechanics in cataclysm (New raid lock outs that keep you from raiding both 10 and 25 man raids in a week, the new loot drops and guild perks etc) are to try and extend the life span of the next expansion as long as possible. I'm not saying that wow is ending at all, just saying I think it's on it's high right now, and will start to level off and drop a bit til the new stuff comes out. I hope the new IP will be something as lore rich and in depth as the warcraft world.

 

[SuperCombustion]

last I checked, WoW still had 11 million players, and even more waiting expectantly for the upcoming cataclysm, I doubt WoW's flame will be extinguished for years to come.

Still, World of Starcraft... sounds good in theory. But Blizzard hardly managed to get that co-habiting horde-alliance thing sussed so, i doubt it will work out with THREE factions in place of two...

 

[Rack]

Yes, despite the fact there are people who go out and completely reverse engineer these games for sheer shits and giggles. People who take joy in seeing if they can stop a program from going into shut down for lack of cd key, connectivity and what not.

THIS.

And THIS game ALONE.

Is impossible to figure out.

Right.

I might be wrong on this one, but from what my experience is it's a whole different ballgame to work out what a programme is doing and change it, as to work out why it is doing what it is doing. You could reverse engineer SC2 to restore the 3 day functionality without ever having an idea whether it was accidental or intentional.

 

[Kagim]

I might be wrong on this one, but from what my experience is it's a whole different ballgame to work out what a programme is doing and change it, as to work out why it is doing what it is doing. You could reverse engineer SC2 to restore the 3 day functionality without ever having an idea whether it was accidental or intentional.

That's not what i mean.

If the game was programmed that way it would have to be programmed in its offline mode to do so, as offline mode would not able to receive a shutdown command from the internet.

Now, when the people who will, or already have, crack the game so people can take it for free they would have to deal with this problem.

While dealing with this problem they would find out whether or not it is set for one day or thirty.

If, while cracking it, they learn that blizzard intentionally set the game to be one day at a time, they could be taken to court for a massive case of fraud.

This would result in MILLIONS of dollar is lost profits, a PR black eye from which they would never recover, and probably being dropped from activision, meaning losing a significant amount of funding.

I'm not talking about changing.

I'm saying right now there are likely hundreds of amateur to professional programmers breaking open the game to look at it.

The idea that if blizzard purposely created the game to only work one day but advertised it as thirty and keep it a secret is ridiculous.

My suspicions of the ACTUAL problem is because blizzard decided to make it so the retail game can be used for the demo trial its a conflict that makes the game think after seven hours of play that you need to buy the game judging from some of the error messages.

 

[DeleteThisAcc]

hell, in my opinion WORLD OF WARCRAFT ruined all WARCRAFT world/story/universe. Every time I say "I play Warcraft 3" everyone says "WoW:wrath of the lich king isn't WoW 3 you idiot." and after "NO, it's RTS!" they go "Stop playing some flash games on some stupid sites..."

LETS RUIN STARCRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!

in WoS I would be zerg OMEGALISK LVL 89!

 

[Rack]

I might be wrong on this one, but from what my experience is it's a whole different ballgame to work out what a programme is doing and change it, as to work out why it is doing what it is doing. You could reverse engineer SC2 to restore the 3 day functionality without ever having an idea whether it was accidental or intentional.

That's not what i mean.

If the game was programmed that way it would have to be programmed in its offline mode to do so, as offline mode would not able to receive a shutdown command from the internet.

Now, when the people who will, or already have, crack the game so people can take it for free they would have to deal with this problem.

While dealing with this problem they would find out whether or not it is set for one day or thirty.

If, while cracking it, they learn that blizzard intentionally set the game to be one day at a time, they could be taken to court for a massive case of fraud.

This would result in MILLIONS of dollar is lost profits, a PR black eye from which they would never recover, and probably being dropped from activision, meaning losing a significant amount of funding.

I'm not talking about changing.

I'm saying right now there are likely hundreds of amateur to professional programmers breaking open the game to look at it.

The idea that if blizzard purposely created the game to only work one day but advertised it as thirty and keep it a secret is ridiculous.

My suspicions of the ACTUAL problem is because blizzard decided to make it so the retail game can be used for the demo trial its a conflict that makes the game think after seven hours of play that you need to buy the game judging from some of the error messages.

But how? No-one is poking around the source code, no-one has access to the if Date > Logindate+1 line of the code, they have compiled code and little room to play around with variables. Variable 10234 says x, and variable 10235 says y. They've got memory dumps and at best code in terms of which bit of memory is put where in what order. If someone does dig around in the 1.02 code they'll find out it dead ends 1 day after the log in check because that's exactly how the program works. But even if you could find intent in that jumble it would be in a language incomprehensible to lawyers. And if there was the slightest concern that someone would poke around the cource code they could obfuscate it further.

You can't possibly argue that if the program worked one way and Blizzard claims it worked another that Blizzard would get sued, dropped from Activision etc because that is exactly what has happened and exactly what hasn't happened. You might possibly argue they'd be worried about that, but by proxy they would have been proved utterly wrong by actual events.

 

[Kagim]

I might be wrong on this one, but from what my experience is it's a whole different ballgame to work out what a programme is doing and change it, as to work out why it is doing what it is doing. You could reverse engineer SC2 to restore the 3 day functionality without ever having an idea whether it was accidental or intentional.

That's not what i mean.

If the game was programmed that way it would have to be programmed in its offline mode to do so, as offline mode would not able to receive a shutdown command from the internet.

Now, when the people who will, or already have, crack the game so people can take it for free they would have to deal with this problem.

While dealing with this problem they would find out whether or not it is set for one day or thirty.

If, while cracking it, they learn that blizzard intentionally set the game to be one day at a time, they could be taken to court for a massive case of fraud.

This would result in MILLIONS of dollar is lost profits, a PR black eye from which they would never recover, and probably being dropped from activision, meaning losing a significant amount of funding.

I'm not talking about changing.

I'm saying right now there are likely hundreds of amateur to professional programmers breaking open the game to look at it.

The idea that if blizzard purposely created the game to only work one day but advertised it as thirty and keep it a secret is ridiculous.

My suspicions of the ACTUAL problem is because blizzard decided to make it so the retail game can be used for the demo trial its a conflict that makes the game think after seven hours of play that you need to buy the game judging from some of the error messages.

But how? No-one is poking around the source code, no-one has access to the if Date > Logindate+1 line of the code, they have compiled code and little room to play around with variables. Variable 10234 says x, and variable 10235 says y. They've got memory dumps and at best code in terms of which bit of memory is put where in what order. If someone does dig around in the 1.02 code they'll find out it dead ends 1 day after the log in check because that's exactly how the program works. But even if you could find intent in that jumble it would be in a language incomprehensible to lawyers. And if there was the slightest concern that someone would poke around the cource code they could obfuscate it further.

You can't possibly argue that if the program worked one way and Blizzard claims it worked another that Blizzard would get sued, dropped from Activision etc because that is exactly what has happened and exactly what hasn't happened. You might possibly argue they'd be worried about that, but by proxy they would have been proved utterly wrong by actual events.

Except it's NOT what happened.


You only assume that is what happened.

You also assume that lawyers need to give a shit about whats going on. If the idea of scoring a massive commission is involved you better god damn believe they will take the case.

Your whole argument is "Well your wrong because it is what they are doing and no one has sued them"

Guess what, it isn't what is happening, that's why nothing has happened.

People are poking around the source code, you can count on that. People like to see things, people like to crack into game for no other reason then the sheer fun of it. If this were truly the case, someone would know. Someone would have found out.

If you want to believe that Blizzard has the greatest programmers in the history of man, working round the clock to hide there devious plot of making you have to log in everyday then go ahead. Creating an uncrackable wall of code that the military would kill to get there hands on to protect a $60 game.

You can. Have fun thinking it to.

 

[Jettling]

Umm...Warcraft started out as a series of RTS games that managed to perfectly make a transition to a MMORPG, and starcraft is basically the modern day version of the warcraft RTS' so i can't see why a starcraft MMO wouldn't work...

 

[Rack]

Except it's NOT what happened.

You only assume that is what happened.

You also assume that lawyers need to give a shit about whats going on. If the idea of scoring a massive commission is involved you better god damn believe they will take the case.

Your whole argument is "Well your wrong because it is what they are doing and no one has sued them"

Guess what, it isn't what is happening, that's why nothing has happened.

People are poking around the source code, you can count on that. People like to see things, people like to crack into game for no other reason then the sheer fun of it. If this were truly the case, someone would know. Someone would have found out.

If you want to believe that Blizzard has the greatest programmers in the history of man, working round the clock to hide there devious plot of making you have to log in everyday then go ahead. Creating an uncrackable wall of code that the military would kill to get there hands on to protect a $60 game.

You can. Have fun thinking it to.

If you're just going to ignore simple observable facts then there's not much going on. Look in Blizzards T&Cs and you'll see they claim it takes 30 days before you lose access, play the game and you'll find it's one day. You can deny this all you want but it makes it no less true. This is the case, this is reality, your arguments are utterly pointless, you can't say "if this were the case then Y" because it IS the case. If Y hasn't happened you've just proved yourself wrong.

You can claim people are in the source code if you like, that's a little harder to contest as it requires you to know a little about programming to see why it isn't the case. But if you did know the first thing about programming you'd see how ludicrous it would be to claim there's some uncrackable code wall needed to stop people having access to the source code. Remember when it was a big deal that iD released Quake's source code? Do you think that would be the case if they shipped it with every game behind some trivial encryption?

 

[Kortney]

World of Warcraft isn't dying. The fact its gameplay and graphics are slowly becoming more and more outdated isn't stopping anyone from playing. Will there be a time when major changes need to be made? Yes of course, but it wont be anytime soon. It's doing very well as it is.

For extra discussion purposes, does anyone think the KOTOR MMO will challenge WoW? I think it will be a superior game to WoW and therefore might ruffle some feathers. However I can't stand MMOs so my opinion isn't informed.

 

[Kagim]

(tin foil hat hilarity)

It's a bug.

It's something they are working towards fixing.

It is a bug that is likely caused due to there guest pass system.

The fact they are constantly releasing patch fixes trying to fix the problem.

And not everyone is suffering from this problem.

Kinda proves it is not an intended function.

If you are sooo sure this is a real problem then start a class action lawsuit. You wouldn't be the first.

You will not be the last.

Unless of course you realize your an idiot and don't want to raise a stink.

 

[Rack]

Blind repetitive rantings.

Yes I could launch a class action but then Blizzard would just continue to pretend it's a bug. We've already established it's impossible to tell the difference so what would be the point?