The_Critic said:
orangeban said:
The_Critic said:
If there was a civil war, where a militia was necessary and one side was for socialist or nazi or facist ideas, and the other side was for current american ideals of freedom, then hell yeah I would take up arms for those ideals.
However if it was for people in washington now who all they care about is there own shelfish agenda (on both sides) rather then working together to come up with a solution to better help our nation grow an prosper. Well in that case I'm glad I'm not a secret service agent.
Umm, I think you mean communist ideals. America already has socialist stuff in it. Socialism is just the idea that the government should control parts of industry/services. Which America's government does.
Also, if America had a "socialist" (taking this to mean slightly toned down communism, but I'd support communism as well) revolution I'd totally fight for it. Sorry, that's just how I role.
You speak like a person who has no idea what communism is, I however do. I grew up in a communist nation. I know what government control means and leads to. My own grandfather was beaten and tortured by secret police because he refused to preach they way they wanted him to. You don't know what it means to see people you know speak out against the government while drunk and then to disappear, only to show up a few days later with fresh bruises, and reprogrammed.
And yes I did mean socialism, the baby steps toward a communist nation. In fact your own statement is contradictory, If you had been in a communist nation, daring to say you wish your government was a different way would earn you a front row seat to what it truly means to struggle under a communist dictatorship.
I respect the freedom that lets you have an opinion, though I don't agree with the opinion you've formed, that's what freedom is, and that is the ideals I would give my life for.
Unfortunately if it ever did come down to a war between 2 factions like this, we would be on opposite ends of the battlefield.
edit: Btw what guns would you use in socialist, or communist revolution. Your not allowed to have any.
Right, okay, from your statements I guess you come come from the Soviet Union, Cuba or North Korea, China, maybe another one I've forgotten. But when I talk about communism I do not mean that communism, I have my own version of communism, which is huggy lovey equality and human rights communism.
Claiming that places like the Soviet Union, North Korea ect. practice communism is like saying the government of 1984 practice communism. No, they simply twist it to fit their way of ruling.
Edit: and like I said, America does have socialism, socialism is just where the government controls some of the industry. The concept of a minimum wage is socialist for goodness sake.
And is capitalism baby-steps towards objectivism?
(interestingly objectivism actually jives quite well with socialism, because only a fool thinks that to help your self you have to screw over others. Though even Ayn Rand didn't seem to pick up on that.)
More edit: Also, that last point, the Soviets had an army that used guns. So the revolution would be armed, even if it practised Soviet ideals (in which case I would not support them).
Also, I feel like your point is sort of a jab against Soviet gun control but it kinda falls flat seeing as I support gun control.
