Poll: Would you join the Freemasons?

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la-le-lu-li-lo

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cults are for losers & crazies.

powerful losers/crazies, if you're at the top that is.

:p *looks around for daedalus* and contrary to popular belief, i am not a member of the freemasons or the illuminati. or the CIA...
 

la-le-lu-li-lo

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TheTygerfire said:
My grandpa was a Freemason, a-hole!

j/k

But really, what's the point now? Are they really still relevant in today's society? I bet I could ask 100 people my age and 99 of them wouldn't remember who they were.
that's all part of the plan. less curious eyes that way!
 

Therumancer

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Truthfully I have no real problem with them. I know a bit about their philsophy but it never really convinced me it was right spiritually speaking, especially given that I have my own beliefs.

The Freemasons do an incredibly amount of Charity work, and sort of demonstrate the positive side of faith.

As far as them being an organization seeking power and authority for their members, well join the club, a lot of other groups do exactly that and just because this group is more successful than most I can't really criticize them.

You join some fraternities in College (either as a pledge or a legacy) and you can wind up with some very similar benefits.

Really the biggest critique I have of the whole thing is more a problem with society in general than one specific group. Right now it's possible for any organized or even ethnic group to effectively lock out others with little that anyone can do about it. This is especially true of minorities.

For example a Chinese guy only willing to sell property in Chinatown to another Chinese even if they wind up turning down a better offer. You can also see the same behavior within religious groups (muslims, jews, catoholics, and even pagans). Something really needs to be done about that kind of thing, but it's an issue where you can't point at one specific group of people.

With jobs and such, it's also difficult to prove, and even if you DO prove it there is the question about what you can practically do about it. Force a company to hire someone and not be able to fire them (to remove the threat of retaliation)? That just causes more problems by creating groups who are above the law within any substantial company and then they of course exploit things (it's human nature).

One of the reasons why a lot of people hate affirmitive action for example is not only losing jobs due to competition, but the fact that for every hard working minority you get 2-3 that like to live in the employee cafeteria and not do their job because management can't do much about them without getting in trouble when they start screaming racism. The problem also becomes more pronounced if those people are promoted due to requirements and then start hiring mor minorities like themselves (friends, family, etc...) creating nepotism and what amount to ethnic gangs within the work enviroment.

At the worst it's the same with the Freemasons except there is a religious organizatinal aspect to it, and it's not as overt, but really you can't do anything about it under the current system. Really to solve any problems of this type involves some massive changes to current regulation that will effectively solve all of the interconnected problems. You can't single one group out.

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Arrers

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My grandfathers one of them, but my father declined membership and I'm not one either. Prsonally, I don't like the idea of such an organisation giving me leg-ups thoughout my life. I'd rather earn my acheivements.

Of course, one of requirements for membership is belief in God, and I'm unsure as to wether I do or not.
 

TMAN10112

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I think that I might be banned from the freemasons due to some family history with them (my father and uncle really pissed them off a few years back).

If I had the option to join, I still wouldn't because I'm way to paranoid and (conspirecy theories aside) their general purpose of securing positions of power and wealth for themselves just makes them seem like bunch a' bastards to me.


The infamous SCAMola said:
Don't they have some weird twisted initiation cerimony, or something?
Yes, from what what I've heard it involves re-enacting the death of some famous freemason, and a symbolic rebirth or something. They're pretty weird.
 

clicketycrack

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Absolutely, then maybe after they destroyed the world with their dark power, they might give me a seat of power in the new world order.
 

Pipotchi

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There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories and half truths in this thread.

I am a Freemason and an athiest so nuts to the whole religous thing. They have never helped me to get a job or any advancement in any other field.

Although to get in I did have to face the "The Wreck of the Hesperus"
 

Killersamman

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No, it's a disgusting organisation that should be banned. Incredibly corrupt system. Anyone who voted yes, remember you are undermining the system of democracy or if you're American - being unconstitutional!
 

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Therumancer said:
Really the biggest critique I have of the whole thing is more a problem with society in general than one specific group. Right now it's possible for any organized or even ethnic group to effectively lock out others with little that anyone can do about it. This is especially true of minorities.

For example a Chinese guy only willing to sell property in Chinatown to another Chinese even if they wind up turning down a better offer. You can also see the same behavior within religious groups (muslims, jews, catoholics, and even pagans). Something really needs to be done about that kind of thing, but it's an issue where you can't point at one specific group of people.
There's a distinct difference between ethnocentrism (which is an innate aspect of human psychology), and actually choosing to be part of the problem though.


Jandau said:
Better to join the Freemasons than to join the Scientologists...
Now you mention it, where's the difference?! Secrecy, weird rites, back-scratching, powerful membership, pro-social facade, wealth...! At least Scientology isn't so overtly discriminatory!
[Puts tinfoil hat on and hides from Anonymous under the table]
 

CNKFan

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I would join the Illuminati because they control every thing including the Freemasons.
 

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Pipotchi said:
There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories and half truths in this thread.

I am a Freemason and an atheist so nuts to the whole religious thing. They have never helped me to get a job or any advancement in any other field.

Although to get in I did have to face the "The Wreck of the Hesperus"
Totally, anyone that thinks your gonna get a one up on life from joining has no idea. The amount of dues monies necessary to raise high enough in the ranks to gain those types of networking benefits is ridiculous.

You pretty much have to be successful to gain the benefits of successful friends.

The Shriners are great workers of charity; they have some of the largest childrens hospitals in the world and spend close to their worth of monies+ every year on that type of stuff.

And as for the higher ups running the country... there is no where to go in the Masons that holds that kind of secrets. I'm sure you can meet someone somewhere in the group that knows something but if we're playing hind and seek and you find out where I've been hiding for the last year, I'm gonna find a new place to hide.
 

Daveman

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nah, my dad was offered to join, but he turned it down

he said he didn't approve of the elitism, sexism and other "-ism"s of the masons

besides, there are so many cooler organisations to be in, like the foresters... I have some forester cufflinks from my great grandfather

Killersamman said:
No, it's a disgusting organisation that should be banned. Incredibly corrupt system. Anyone who voted yes, remember you are undermining the system of democracy or if you're American - being unconstitutional!
being unconstitutional, because of course the constitution matters ever so much, it's just a patriotism trip for americans
besides, you can hardly ban friends and other people giving each other favours... so I don't see how this is any different really
 

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Daveman said:
nah, my dad was offered to join, but he turned it down

he said he didn't approve of the elitism, sexism and other "-ism"s of the masons

besides, there are so many cooler organisations to be in, like the foresters... I have some forester cufflinks from my great grandfather
What are Foresters?
 

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ThatJagoGuy said:
Daveman said:
nah, my dad was offered to join, but he turned it down

he said he didn't approve of the elitism, sexism and other "-ism"s of the masons

besides, there are so many cooler organisations to be in, like the foresters... I have some forester cufflinks from my great grandfather
What are Foresters?
wikipedia them, the ancient order of foresters, not secret or anything, it's all about helping people get insurance and stuff, it's a "friendly society" apparently
 

HentMas

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In Mexico the freemasons work as the italian MOB did, there are several factions and they are politically connected, they support candidates and have even murdered people that stood against them, they are all "behind courtains" so to speak, and have wars among themselves...

no, i would never join them (i know this because i used to date a girl whose father was part of a group and being confident enough he started talking about his past... not a very cheerfull discovery, and his sons were studyin to become freemasons themselves)
 

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ThatJagoGuy said:
a more imperative aim of theirs is to unfairly attain positions of power that are not rightly theirs. It pisses me off that they get an unfair advantage over those that are better qualified and thus beter able to do certain jobs... especially when it reaches government level.
ummm that is wrong and VERY stupid, the fact that there are a large amount of mason that have been and will be in the government is simple. you have a lot of friends that will VOTE for you, this is how democracy works. also it is NOT an aim of them to gain power, there's tons of masons that are very rich and there are many that are very poor as well

Pipotchi said:
I am a Freemason and an athiest so nuts to the whole religous thing.
then you can't be a freemason, you can't answer yes, you would answer no to the 3 questions needed to be a freemason :)


HillDragon said:
Totally, anyone that thinks your gonna get a one up on life from joining has no idea. The amount of dues monies necessary to raise high enough in the ranks to gain those types of networking benefits is ridiculous.
ummm you don't need buckets of money to join or rise in the ranks, there are only 3 degrees in the masons AND you can get all those degrees in one year as part of your annual dues, everything above the the third degree is other organizations

fix-the-spade said:
The entire organisation stinks, they're quite happy to be charitabe as long it's other masons they're helping.
look up the Shrine Hospitals and then make that comment, to be a Shriner you MUST be a freemason and most of the time that the masons DO donate money, they do it will little fanfare

TMAN10112 said:
If I had the option to join, I still wouldn't because I'm way to paranoid and (conspirecy theories aside) their general purpose of securing positions of power and wealth for themselves just makes them seem like bunch a' bastards to me.
actually the purpose of the masons is to make Good Men Better, not gain power and it never has been to gain power. it's to help out humanity and people for the sake of helping them out

also no one will be asked to join the masons, they have to ask to join them.
 

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HentMas said:
In Mexico the freemasons work as the italian MOB did, there are several factions and they are politically connected, they support candidates and have even murdered people that stood against them, they are all "behind courtains" so to speak, and have wars among themselves...

no, i would never join them (i know this because i used to date a girl whose father was part of a group and being confident enough he started talking about his past... not a very cheerfull discovery, and his sons were studyin to become freemasons themselves)
that's wrong and lies, the masons do NOT kill people ever and you don't have to study to become a mason, you literally could walk off the street and join without any knowledge of them
 

HentMas

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cleverlymadeup said:
AS I STATED BEFORE, here in MEXICO, i dont know how they work in other places, but i am fairly sure what i said is true because i have met the friends of the guy who talked to me... perhaps not all freemasons are like that, and they were studying books about the theme, i dont know if that is a requirement.

why would i lie?? please dont call me a liar, i am telling what my VERY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE has thaught me in A VERY DIFFERENT COUNTRY than yours.
 

Pipotchi

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cleverlymadeup said:
Pipotchi said:
I am a Freemason and an athiest so nuts to the whole religous thing.
then you can't be a freemason, you can't answer yes, you would answer no to the 3 questions needed to be a freemason :)
Actually no, I stand by my comment I am an athiest and a Freemason. The Freemason is asked to declare a belief in a Supreme being but no further explanation is required. I simply interpretated it that my belief in chaos theory would suffice. Seeing as how politics or religion is expressly off limts for discussion who are you to say that my interpretation is the wrong one?