Poll: XBOX ONE DRM BACK!

[Genocidicles]

The xbone DRM was a bad thing, regardless of what it let you do.

It meant the console would be dead as soon as they turn the servers off in ten years, and all your games would be made fucking worthless.

Being able to share a game with someone digitally does not make up for all my games disappearing because Microsoft wants me to buy the Xbox 2 or whatever the next console will be called.

 

[HydroFire]

Well I think that's a small price to pay to have your games stored in the cloud allowing you to use them anywhere.

 

[hazabaza1]

Hmm, let's see...
- Two posts
- Joined today
- Insistent about unpopular opinion
- Terrible arguments and honestly using "@zz holes"

0/10 better luck next time.

 

[bfgmetalhead]

Hmm, let's see...
- Two posts
- Joined today
- Insistent about unpopular opinion
- Terrible arguments and honestly using "@zz holes"

0/10 better luck next time.

agreed, this is quite a poor argument and your presentation is poor.

 

[Genocidicles]

Well I think that's a small price to pay to have your games stored in the cloud allowing you to use them anywhere.

No, no it's not.

I would probably spend around £500 on games per console generation. Add in the price of the console and that's almost £1000.

Being able to download a game at a friends house (which'll still take some time, when before I could just take the disc over and play it instantly) is not worth losing the equivalent of £1000 because Microsoft can't trust me with my own property.

 

[Andy Shandy]

Hmm, let's see...
- Two posts
- Joined today
- Insistent about unpopular opinion
- Terrible arguments and honestly using "@zz holes"

0/10 better luck next time.

Not to mention the blatant misinformation and flame bait in the title.

 

[HydroFire]

D: thanks for being so welcoming...

 

[HydroFire]

Hmm, let's see...
- Two posts
- Joined today
- Insistent about unpopular opinion
- Terrible arguments and honestly using "@zz holes"

0/10 better luck next time.

Hmm, let's see...
-Valid Point in post
- Have you got an argument to go against my post?
- No didn't think so
-Terrible argument and honestly using "Hmm, let's see..."

 

[hazabaza1]

Hmm, let's see...
- Two posts
- Joined today
- Insistent about unpopular opinion
- Terrible arguments and honestly using "@zz holes"

0/10 better luck next time.

Hmm, let's see...
-Valid Point in post
- Have you got an argument to go against my post?
- No didn't think so
-Terrible argument and honestly using "Hmm, let's see..."

I don't really think I need to do much to argue against you, you're doing most of the work yourself, and everything you haven't covered it being sorted by Genocidicles and Andy.

 

[IceForce]

What's up with all the brand new, pro-xbone user accounts recently? Are they all the same person or what?

Anyway, xbone drm cannot be compared with steam, because with steam, all your existing games still work perfectly without having to connect to the internet.
With the xbone drm, it was a daily check thing. No offline mode.

 

[HydroFire]

Did I ever say the online check in was a good thing?

 

[mad825]

That time of the year when 4Chan pays a visit to the Escapist?

Say what you want, all those features can be implemented without DRM. Take gog as a small example even though it doesn't have it's own client per se. You can download what you want, when you want without having to verify the game and you can download a small program to manage the downloads as well as keeping the game up-to-date

Whatever the case may be, you don't need DRM for anything other than for control and/or restriction.

 

[Genocidicles]

Did I ever say the online check in was a good thing?

You said the DRM was a good thing. The online check is DRM.

 

[Zeh Don]

Flagged for moderation. I'm guessing Microsoft Shill, or a fanboy who was banned and decided his opinion was worth creating a second account for.

Short of linking to the Xbone's website, you're the perfect corporate forum account. Might I recommend learning how to talk like a real person before pretending to be one?

 

[Neverhoodian]

Phew, for a second there I thought Microsoft was actually bringing DRM back. Turns out the OP was just making a sensationalist title.

I'm tempted to just post the following Jimquisition video and call it a day:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7586-Why-PC-Gaming-Gets-Away-With-It

Thank God for Jim.

I could go to my fiends house and he might not have COD ghosts. So I could log in and play it with him. That would be a very nice feature.

Or maybe your friend's system could just start up the physical copy of the game you brought over, no strings attached. Call me crazy, but I'm still of the mindset that if you bought a physical product, you own it and are allowed to do whatever you want with it, including allowing others to use it in its entirety.

So for all those people with the excuse not to buy the xbox one as " I can't buy a console that had bad policies in the past, they could turn them back on"
Or "I don't trust Microsoft anymore" DRM WAS A GREAT THING! I mean seriously, who even rents games these days? I know that I rented them back in 1995. But this is 2013 most people buy games ONLINE. Through steam, xbox arcade, App Store and heaps more.

I often borrow console games from my friends and vice versa. That counts as a "rental" of sorts. We swap disks, play it for a while, then return it. Quite often I've ended up buying my own copy of games that I initially had no interest in, but ended up enjoying it after borrowing a copy. That's money I wouldn't have spent if consoles had the DRM policies that Microsoft initially wanted for the Xbox One.

 

[shrekfan246]

I realize I shouldn't indulge this because the title alone practically screams at the OP's intentions here, but a cardinal difference between Steam and the Xbox One would've been the market.

More specifically, Steam isn't the sole way to get digital downloads of video games. For whatever majority of the market it may hold, it's not a monopoly like people love singing on about. But with the Xbox One, Microsoft would've had a complete monopoly over the digital distribution. Combined with the "Big Brother Is Watching You" 24-hour check-in and the "it-doesn't-need-to-be-for-any-reason-but-your-console-won't-function-with-it-off" Kinect, and you've basically got a console hand-made by the most paranoid money-grubber in existence. Because really, only somebody who was either completely afraid of their customers or completely confident that they could control us (or both) would've thought the Xbox One was a good idea.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

DRM is never a good thing, it punishes legitimate customers when they are the ones paying for the games. Yet people who jailbreak the machines and pirate games don't have to deal with that to play their games.

I live in a place where the net can go out often, so having to check in each day and games having to use the "cloud" just to play them, aren't suitable for me. I loved my Xbox 360, played it more then any console this gen. The Xbox One with all its policies when revealed at E3 made me sad, and they have marketed it basically only the American market. Most of the features are locked off to gold subs only, so things like Netflix, which isn't even available here, still charge you on top of having to pay gold. There are a lot of deal breakers for a lot of people when it comes to this console, people got pissed off because the guys behind this console, were taking away some basic consumer rights.

I still rent games that I'm on the fence of buying, I prefer having a bloody disc so I don't have to wait days for games to download off shitty servers etc. Not to mention how big games are getting, so people with bandwidth limits get screwed by having only a download option. Xbox is a closed platform, I doubt they would sell them low priced when they have the monopoly. Steam at least has several things to compete with.

They claimed the DRM was the only way this advance machine would work, but they have reversed all that, they were never clear on the intent of any features. You had several people from the company saying different things, that share function was supposedly a demo thing, not full games to friends. We'll never know for sure what was missed out on supposedly because they lacked the capacity to explain clearly what the intent of any of it was, it's their own stupid fault that people railed against that.

Not voicing up, just accepting that crap would be saying it's okay to treat people like that, taking away ownership and the like from people. It doesn't make us all a bunch of whiny a-holes.

I realize I shouldn't indulge this because the title alone practically screams at the OP's intentions here, but a cardinal difference between Steam and the Xbox One would've been the market.

I probably should have started with that statement as well.

 

[OneCatch]

I realize I shouldn't indulge this because the title alone practically screams at the OP's intentions here, but a cardinal difference between Steam and the Xbox One would've been the market.

More specifically, Steam isn't the sole way to get digital downloads of video games. For whatever majority of the market it may hold, it's not a monopoly like people love singing on about. But with the Xbox One, Microsoft would've had a complete monopoly over the digital distribution. Combined with the "Big Brother Is Watching You" 24-hour check-in and the "it-doesn't-need-to-be-for-any-reason-but-your-console-won't-function-with-it-off" Kinect, and you've basically got a console hand-made by the most paranoid money-grubber in existence. Because really, only somebody who was either completely afraid of their customers or completely confident that they could control us (or both) would've thought the Xbox One was a good idea.

Plus the fact that the market mechanisms are different. Console AAAs are more expensive that PC, thus, it's fair that people get an actual disk to use without restriction, don't need to download it, and can later sell it. Such trade-ins recoup some of the initial spending on the game, and allow people to purchase others.
With Steam, the game gets locked to your account so you can't sell it, but you can re-download it at any time, usually get it a little cheaper to start with, and also potentially get absurd discounts in Steam Sales.

@HydroFire, it's swings and roundabouts.
And of course Steam has some negatives too, but in the case of the Xbox One DRM, they offered all of the negatives and perhaps one positive in being able to share with friends under certain specific circumstances. And even that's dubious because you've been able to do that anyway without restriction on consoles since about 1986.

EDIT - phraseology

 

[carpathic]

Hmmmmm new user, very few posts talking about how great xbox DRM is....not at all suspicious that.

Seriously, the DRM issue has really turned me off the xbone. I don't care what publishers think, I own the game I buy and will do with it as I please (within the confines of the law).

Will I make extra copies? I am entitled to make one archive copy by law in Canada. I don't do that, but I am entitled to it.

Will I sell the game? Never have, but I am entitled to sell it used if I want.

Should the company be able to just access my play data whenever they want, then use it to try and sculpt advertising to me? Nope, especially not if I paid for the game in the first place. A freemium game? Sure, full price? Heck no. That data is mine.

Should I have to connect to the internet? Nope. I don't want to play online. Gaming is my time, for me. If I want to interact with people, I'll go to a bar.

So, PS4 for me, if I bother to buy anything from this generation at all.

 

[Talvrae]

This genereation i will probably be on.... PC
Sorry no PS4 or XBox One for me

and by the way i still rent game... but it's not the reason i don,t agree with the X-Box One... the number one reason was the forced kinnect always online spying on me, i know they changed that... but i don,t trust them with that

PS: The Kinnect is a pice of shit and i don,t want it in my house like ever, A camera in my house that i don,t control absolutelly is a spying device...