- Jul 9, 2010
I know there is an edit button but my post is now several hours old so no one is likely to view it. but I would like to addlegendp said:So if it is a choice between a million people and your pet you will still choose the pet right because those people are not part of your "tribe", Like I said many times before I love my dog and would risk my life for it, but does your pet have aspirations like going to school, university. and many other things, do you think your dog is worth more than your own life, do you think there emotions and feelings are more complex and valuable than yours. pets can love and care people and they should not be ignored but at the same time they cannot be compared to the life and experiences of a person. even if I have to break it down to mathematics, human life 40+ more years, pets life maybe 10+ years if you need solid measurable equations, as sad as it is to break it down that way. A person will go out and meet other people, they could potential deeply affect 100s of people in there life, your pet will probaly just sleep in your back yard enjoying your company, now thats not a bad thing but cannot be compared to a personCandidus said:Then you draw a distinction I don't between people and animals. I haven't seen the hand-held scanner that gives a different "value" reading when you hover it over a person than it does when you hover it over a dog. Until somebody shows me something THAT concrete as proof that human beings are more valuable than anything else, I'll go on making no distinction.clippen05 said:I think you've summed up everything I wanted to say in just a few short words. You win 5 internetzomicron1 said:My reasoning is simple: Human life is worth infinitely more than animal/plant life. No matter what close relation you may feel for your pet, the drowning person is a person. That is an overriding factor in the decision.Candidus said:I really don't understand this point of view. Surely, turning on a member of your own tribe, human or not, is the greater betrayal. I'm not phrasing that as a question, I'm just saying it.omicron1 said:Huh. There do indeed seem to be more people concerned with puppies than with people. Who'd've thought it.
Human. First. Always.
I owe nothing to another human being by virtue of the fact that they are human. What the hell kind of reason is that to betray a loved one? I'm a disciplined man. I almost drowned once off the coast of cornwall because the water was cold and I was skinny and unfit. Even remembering that, I reject the selfishness involved in hoping that others will (in general) turn on their own for me. They shouldn't.
Either people who would are as cold as vipers (unlikely given the tone of most of these responses), OR they have an ambient love for other people that I just have no concept of; as though they're able to see another colour and think it's just the most natural thing in the world.
Well I don't see whatever it is that you see. You're in the minority, actually.
Tribe. First. Always.
The value of anything to me is in direct proportion to the quality of its relationship with me (or its value to others who are connected to me). If you're not of my tribe and the OP's scenario is afoot, you're just plain out of luck.
Is a fly as valuable as a dog
Is a fish as valuable as a dolphin
Is bacteria as valuable as a bird
The answer is a no, just the same as a dog life is not as valuable as a person, and if you think otherwise than (imo considring people will complain if I don't say that) you are being selfish and immoral, and just as you are allowed to argue your opinion I am allowed to argue mine and point out flaws in yours. If you don't want that to happen than don't post . And before someone ses that it is just different values I'm sure a murderer could say the same thing, there was that guy recently who killed dozens of people in hitlers name recently. Now I am not saying you people are murderers but you need to consider the consequences of you actions. There is a reason why saving your pet over a human would be frowned on, because that was not the right cause of action