The AP Interview: Pope says homosexuality not a crime
Pope Francis has criticized laws that criminalize homosexuality as “unjust,” saying God loves all his children just as they are.
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Pope Francis: “Being Homosexual Isn’t a Crime.”
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You can hear him saying 'as such' under his breath at the end if you listen closely.
(Appreciate that this might be a small-steps issue, but he's the Big Man, the Guy Upstairs, the Head Honcho; there's no one above him (no, really), he's Top Dog. Lay down the law with your flock and stop fannying around, Frank.)
(Appreciate that this might be a small-steps issue, but he's the Big Man, the Guy Upstairs, the Head Honcho; there's no one above him (no, really), he's Top Dog. Lay down the law with your flock and stop fannying around, Frank.)
Republicans accusing the Pope of "going woke" in 3, 2, 1....
Well isn't that nice. Baby steps towards becoming a humane religion.
Apollo is still the deity-of-the-month in my copy of the Gay Agenda newsletter for the 30,000th month running, though, since no other deities since have had a boyfriend as twinky as his.
Apollo is still the deity-of-the-month in my copy of the Gay Agenda newsletter for the 30,000th month running, though, since no other deities since have had a boyfriend as twinky as his.
Well, the pope finally caught up to the 1980s. Is there some way to spead this along?
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Oh, they've hated him since he started. Bastard doesn't want secular authorities enforcing church law, he's basically a communist [/sarcasm]
Wonder if he's going to clarify it a bit to the usual thing about being homosexual not being a crime, but acting homosexual is. Hate the sin, love the sinner, and all that rubbish.
Oh yeah, he's still bog-standard Catholic with regards to acting gay or trans or whatever, Pope Francis is just in the "non-Catholics don't have to follow Catholic rules" camp.
Which makes him very progressive...for a Pope
Which makes him very progressive...for a Pope
Thanks Mr. Pope Sir, but conservatives have moved beyond that now to target the LGBTQ+ in a whole new way. So you know, how about you get on that shit please.
Yes, nothing actually changed. Francis is not actually someone who pushes reforms all that much.
It is just a friendly reminder to point certain people to the contemporary, agreed, Catholic ideology as laid down in the catechism. That is a thing Francis did a couple of times, publicly reprimanding priests and bishops he thinks do not follow the rules or ideals.
Pretty new within the history of the Church. Lest we forget that Ratzinger called homosexuality a tendency towards an "intrinsic moral evil", that people had "no conceivable right" to be gay, and that its practice can be "legitimately limited"-- an essential endorsement of legal restrictions.
His hands are also somewhat tied. The mere appointment of a Latin-American Pope was a paradigm-shattering nightmare for a great many North American and European Catholics, who had no choice but to acknowledge the existence of a Latin-American church. Forget the reality that North American and European Catholicism was no longer a majority, and hadn't been for some time. "Radical" concepts like liberation theology (surprise, Catholics are as loathe to actually read and understand the Bible as Protestants) would almost certainly be enough to prompt another great schism.
That's not to imply Francis is a whole hog liberation theologian, he's not. But, his theology has been clearly and strongly inspired by liberation theology, and that has been exactly the source of the pushback against him (along with a healthy dose of good old fashioned white supremacy) almost the entirety of his papal tenure. Pope Palpatine's death last month should serve as reminder no few Catholics would prefer to pretend Francis either never assumed the role, or simply never existed to begin with. Those same people would cheer wholeheartedly the reversal of each and every baby step Francis took forward, by whomever eventually succeeds him, and do anything in their power to ensure that individual will.
The challenge before Francis, is to do his part to ensure his legacy isn't entirely negated by his successor, and that Latin-American Catholics continue to be represented in the Church beyond his tenure.
It is a tad more complex than that.
First, Europe is not exactly a bastion of conservatism in the Catholic church. They have their own and quite influential reform movements.
Second, Francis is quite progressive only on some topics but pretty backward on others, even for an old Catholic priest.
Also liberation theology is not nearly as divisive as you seem to think. It was a bit different in the past. But now, if there comes another shism, it will be about something very different.
First, Europe is not exactly a bastion of conservatism in the Catholic church. They have their own and quite influential reform movements.
Second, Francis is quite progressive only on some topics but pretty backward on others, even for an old Catholic priest.
Also liberation theology is not nearly as divisive as you seem to think. It was a bit different in the past. But now, if there comes another shism, it will be about something very different.
Wow. Such progress.
*Slow Clap*
Oh Catholicism, content to be about 50 years behind the times when they're actively trying.
Which, to be fair, is an improvement on Christian Evangelicals, who are content to be about 2000 years behind everyone else at the best of times and hold on for dear fucking life to the theology of the ancient world(but without actually understanding that theology in the least). I do love blowing evangelicals minds by explaining that evolution is accepted by most Christians(as well as a substantial number of muslims and jews) just fine and it's mostly their little corner of the religion that seems to treat science with such disdain. You know, before they get mad and stop talking to me.
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In a wide variety of "coincidences", the church I went to growing up in Montana was big on liberation theology until Ratzinger, who's selection also coincided with me leaving the church shortly thereafter. In addition to the scandals of the time, the vibes went rancid
Yeah, but is it, really?
...within the safe, comforting confines of postwar neoliberalism, sure. But we'll come back to that in a second.
Hence my statement that Francis is not a liberation theologist, but heavily influenced by it.
In the past as in 2013, when Francis became Pope? Or, are we talking "in the past" as in 1983, when the Catholic Church did everything but outright declare as heretical, and stayed quiet on the political persecution of, liberation theology and liberation theologists? Because, I bring up '83 because that was specifically the year the Roman Curia condemned liberation theology as a Marxist corruption of Catholic dogma, and an attempt by Marxists to infiltrate and coopt the Catholic church.
Bears mention this was all coming from some asshole cardinal named "Jospeh Ratzinger", whoever the fuck that was. Probably just some minor figure within the church, whose ideology was short-lived and not at all influential.
Sure, a lot has changed since '83, I guess. CIA-funded death squads aren't burning down churches with the parish inside and gunning down nuns in South America while reactionary clergymen acted as shot-callers, between snorts of yayo and bedding choir boys. All while the rest of the Catholic world shrugged its shoulders and chalked it up as a necessary evil in the war against Communism.
In all seriousness, I'm fairly certain this'll be what -- if anything -- does it.