Predictions of Biden's Presidency

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As suggested by Gorfias, I'm making a thread about what I believe will happen during Biden's term as the 46tth President. He originally asked for a supporter. I don't know if I fit the bill. I wanted him to win over Trump, but he was never my candidate. I think most of us in the forum who were leaning towards the left or at least away from Trump didn't peg Biden as who we wanted to lead the country. So I figured I might as well put in my two cents.

My first Prediction is simple. A whole lot of nothing.

The Republican party is now a fringe of it's own entity. The Trump party sits in its path like the very Iceberg that sunk it. They know now they don't need logic, reason, or proof any more a large amount of the cult any more. They are immune to hypocrisy as well. Just as long as it makes the Left upset, they will get backing from the Cult that Remains.

They don't need to look fair, make concessions, or worry if their words will come back to haunt them. It has happened so many times, and they suffered no ill effects.

They can sit like little stone statues in the senate and the blame will go to the Democrats. From the Republicans, to the Independents and the rest of the world who act like it should be easy to reason with zealots.

That combined with the mess left by Trump is going to be a full time job trying to fix. Trying to get police reform will be near impossible. The Senate will just call Law and Order. Small things like Environmental protections might be in Biden's grasp. A lot of companies will cry poor because they can't pour out into our drinking water any more, but I really don't care about them.

I'm sure there are going to be people who complain about the potential ramifications of the economy. I survive safely as an indicated upwards tick on some scale. A booming economy doesn't make me safe from police brutality, underregulated food, or even protects me financially as Trump rolled back protections for Housing Loan Bias to Fiduciary protections.

I think it's going to be deadlocked for a long period of time.

But what people who value numbers over lives don't get is this... I'm so happy with a whole lot of nothing, I can't even tell you.

I've said multiple times that the best case scenario is that the democrats don't win the Senate so they don't give everything they want. For at least two years, of course. We need some time off. We need a president that every week we don't wake up to some sort of tragedy. We need a president who doesn't reach out to the fringes of his support and asks for undying loyalty

In short, after Trump, we need a break. Biden's first half will be that break. I'm great with that.
 
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My first Prediction is simple. A whole lot of nothing.
I was gonna leave a snarky comment along the same line after I saw the big post, but, uh.

Well, I respect that you know what's up at least. Although I blame corporatist, neoliberal, self-sabotaging, out-of-touch Democrats more. And I know you complain about that in your post, but here's the thing: Republicans are representing their base. You wonder how people like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham and even John Cornyn stay in office, it's because they actually give their base what their base asks for. Dems? Dems don't do as well at that. And there's some reasons. Dems have a much wider base, and not all parts of that base can get what they want without some other part not getting what they want. But the boomer wing that is in control of the party also simply are not open to modern realities and voices, and keep trying to legislate like we're still in the 80s and 90s.

I'm happy if the Dems don't get the Senate. I hope it disrupts party leadership enough to get new blood in there. It should have happened in 2016. I don't know if they'll learn their lesson even after another sham of an election. But we'll see.

Honestly, the Repubs have gotten what they really wanted in the Trump years, a conservative leaning judiciary and a tax break for the rich. I think (well, I hope) that they'll be more open to bipartisanship in the next couple of years. If there's one positive thing about Biden, he actually has talent in the kind of wheeling and dealing required to make back room deals to get bills passed (even if the compromises are not all that we will want). Maybe not, with McConnell still in charge of the Senate. I guess we'll have to see.
 

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Congratulations Kamala Harris for winning the presidency by using a frail old white guy. You go lock up those black guys.
 

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Alright, let's take a look at this shitshow.

We got a war criminal for secretary of state, par for the course.
Small steps guy for AG (but might repeal 3 strike laws, which is pretty okay if true)
Governor "getting rid of private health insurance is scary" for HHS, so if you thought for some reason there was still a chance for M4A, haha what did you expect?
A man in transport that I wouldn't trust literally anywhere else, but don't have enough info to know how he'd be in transport
Commerce will be headed by a CEO or executive of half a dozen companies, so haha what did you expect?
Energy by a buddy of Saudi Arabia and BP
Agriculture by a woman who fought to have the Keystone XL pipeline
And Pete fuckin' Buttigieg

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Alright, let's take a look at this shitshow.

We got a war criminal for secretary of state, par for the course.
Small steps guy for AG (but might repeal 3 strike laws, which is pretty okay if true)
Governor "getting rid of private health insurance is scary" for HHS, so if you thought for some reason there was still a chance for M4A, haha what did you expect?
A man in transport that I wouldn't trust literally anywhere else, but don't have enough info to know how he'd be in transport
Commerce will be headed by a CEO or executive of half a dozen companies, so haha what did you expect?
Energy by a buddy of Saudi Arabia and BP
Agriculture by a woman who fought to have the Keystone XL pipeline
And Pete fuckin' Buttigieg

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Well, after she absolutely dicked over The Progressive movement, I'm sure Elizabeth Warren is going to be super happy with her cabinet position!

Alright, let's take a looksy at the list and see what position she got!!!

...she must have changed her name I guess? Did she get married and changed her first name too? Otherwise she completely sold out and likely set back any Progressive shot at the presidency for another 8 years and all she got was that lousy T-shirt!!!

EDIT: I suppose for my prediction, I'll just take the president elect at his word and say that I expect nothing to fundamentally change
 
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Meg Whitman is fine, P&G isn't the worst company in the world, it's the standard corp that seeks profit.


According to a 2016 report by Amnesty International, palm oil provider Wilmar International, the world's biggest palm oil grower in 2016 and supplier of raw materials to Procter & Gamble, profited from 8 to 14-year-old child labor and forced labor. Some workers were extorted, threatened, or not paid for work. Some workers also suffered severe injuries from toxic banned chemicals.[75]

Susan Rice won't go to war with China I think, she may have gotten into an argument with a diplomat there, Susan Rice however did look the other way, and enable Yemen which someone better bring up in the confirmation.

Ernest Moniz is a smart person, but not an ethical one, he loves nuclear power which is fine; Fusion is good but also loves the Saudis and fossil fuels

Pete in VA; I would put him there, I don't like him, but it's better than him being literally anywhere else

AG: Doug Jones; He better remember who won him his seat, African-American Women, and people of color, other than that I would rather have Cory Booker(Who may suck on big pharma, but is progressive on criminal justice)

Eric Garcetti loves his luxury housing, but hey at least LA Home prices haven't gone up like SF, but there are lots of homeless people so policy failure

Michèle Flournoy looked the other way on Yemen, but she opposed lifting economic sanctions against North Korea and Iran... Facepalm; So we are going to punish the Iranian people for breaking an agreement, wait a minute we broke the Iran Deal, also North Korea, IDC, let the South Korean President handle that, he's a peacenik on NK.
 

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Flournoy said she favored supplying regional Middle East partners, including Saudi Arabia, with increased drone capability.[36] "That’s going to do a lot more for Saudi confidence, for Emirati confidence, for others, Qatari confidence, than sending another 10,000 soldiers

She wants to give the Saudis Reaper, and Predator Drones; Great so now Yemeni Children will be blown up by robots, and manned aircraft.
 

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Oh Meg Whitman isn't just part of P&G, she is or has been an executive at P&G, Dropbox, HP, Quibi, Disney, Dreamworks, Hasbro, and eBay. She's also run as a Republican for governor of California and worked on Mitt Romney's presidential campaigns back when he was quasi-relevant.
 

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In short, after Trump, we need a break. Biden's first half will be that break. I'm great with that.
I think we'll have to wait and see, because as I stated in another thread, the Democrats will look very, very closely at why they underperformed so badly against Trump. And we might find it does spur some significant differences from our expectations, because it's unlikely Biden will run in 2024, and they need to make sure the anointed successor (Harris, at this rate) is set up properly.
 

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I think we'll have to wait and see, because as I stated in another thread, the Democrats will look very, very closely at why they underperformed so badly against Trump. And we might find it does spur some significant differences from our expectations, because it's unlikely Biden will run in 2024, and they need to make sure the anointed successor (Harris, at this rate) is set up properly.
They didn't learn their lesson in 2016 when they lost to Trump. I have no idea why everyone somehow thinks they're gonna suddenly see the light and decide to stop dicking over the common people over their Corporate Overlords now that they've won an election...

If 2016 didn't wake them up, nothing will.
 

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A socialist hellhole where women are respected and have access to free abortions. Abortions for all! I'll have one too please! Oh and drugs for everyone too. Lovely stuff. Absolute hellhole.
 
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They didn't learn their lesson in 2016 when they lost to Trump.
Didn't they?

Hillary was an unpopular candidate: she comes across as cold and cynical, plus the perception of arrogant, "woke", east coast intellectual and, well, being a woman. Biden is likeable - more down to earth, friendly, sometimes a bit of a doofus in a way that lots of Americans will think makes him a bit more like them. Sanders, as is often pointed out, is not likable.

The second factor to consider is that the situation was different. Moderate Republicans and centre voters may have been turned off by Trump, and would be much more likely to be won over by a comforting sense of competence, stability and normality - voters that may have been scared by Sanders such that they would stick with Trump. Let's bear in mind Trump wasn't supporting welfare, destroying the ACA with no replacement, etc. You can tout these policies as popular, but Trump wasn't offering them and yet he was still taking millions of traditionally Democrat voters.

The unanswerable question is what would have happened with Sanders instead of Biden. It really is not safe to assume it would have turned out better. Not least because as analysis showed, Sanders ran a bad primary campaign that failed to reach out to substantial demographics important to the Democratic Party. (Never mind that not actually being a member of the party when you're aiming to be its candidate is going to put some party members' backs up.)
 
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Didn't they?

Hillary was an unpopular candidate: she comes across as cold and cynical, plus the perception of arrogant, "woke", east coast intellectual and, well, being a woman. Biden is likeable - more down to earth, friendly, sometimes a bit of a doofus in a way that lots of Americans will think makes him a bit more like them. Sanders, as is often pointed out, is not likable.

The second factor to consider is that the situation was different. Moderate Republicans and centre voters may have been turned off by Trump, and would be much more likely to be won over by a comforting sense of competence, stability and normality - voters that may have been scared by Sanders such that they would stick with Trump. Let's bear in mind Trump wasn't supporting welfare, destroying the ACA with no replacement, etc. You can tout these policies as popular, but Trump wasn't offering them and yet he was still taking millions of traditionally Democrat voters.

The unanswerable question is what would have happened with Sanders instead of Biden. It really is not safe to assume it would have turned out better. Not least because as analysis showed, Sanders ran a bad primary campaign that failed to reach out to substantial demographics important to the Democratic Party. (Never mind that not actually being a member of the party when you're aiming to be its candidate is going to put some party members' backs up.)
Maybe this is all my fault, especially looking on Twitter and Facebook and all the celebrating and whatnot. Maybe it's my fault for expecting too much. Maybe "He's a Republican in all but name but he smiles and makes everyone feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside" so we accept that as the best we are ever going to get. Expecting Health Care reform that every other first world country has somehow figured out how to make work is too much. Expecting environmental changes that might actually fix something instead of pushing the "Dooms Day" clock a few years back is too much. Expecting something as basic as weed being legal is too much...

The lesson The Democrats here are going to learn is everyone is completely fine getting dicked over as long as it's a warm, compassionate Democrat dicking instead of a cold, robotic Republican dicking. I was kind of hoping people would say "Hey, maybe we shouldn't have politicians dicking everyone over so that corporations can make an extra buck" but fuck, maybe I'm just expecting too much.

Biden is free to prove me wrong but I see no reason why we shouldn't believe the man himself when he tells his Corporate Overlords that nothing will fundamentally change...
 

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I think we'll have to wait and see, because as I stated in another thread, the Democrats will look very, very closely at why they underperformed so badly against Trump. And we might find it does spur some significant differences from our expectations, because it's unlikely Biden will run in 2024, and they need to make sure the anointed successor (Harris, at this rate) is set up properly.
Could it be that the democrats "Underperformed" because the vast majority of people are either self-centered or will vote against their best interests due misplaced loyalty?

We have members in this forum that we repeatedly give facts which they continually ignore. Can anyone here craft a sentiment to make any conservative become a liberal? To vote blue in the next election? No? It's not your job? I understand.

Funnily enough, it's not the Democrats' job either.

They need to just convince Democrats to come out in force and appeal to independents. In fact, I've said that often. That Democrats and Republicans are already decided, and the winner will be who courts the Independents. Which Biden Did

Independents: Big shift to Biden
Independents went narrowly for Mr. Trump in 2016 (by 4 points) but swung to Biden this year. He won with a 14-point lead among them nationally, the largest margin recorded among this group since Bill Clinton won independents in his reelection bid in 1996.

This same trend can be seen across the 2020 battleground states, including those that Mr. Trump won. Biden won among independents in Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, North Carolina, Texas, and Wisconsin — all states where independents voted for Mr. Trump in 2016 — and often by double digit margins.

Independent voters nationwide had an unfavorable view of the president and most said U.S. efforts to contain the coronavirus are going badly. Roughly four in ten independents voting for Biden report that they did not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016, including just over one in 10 who say they voted for Mr. Trump four years ago.
Look, I have no love lost for Corporates. I've became a progressive years ago. No offense to you, Agema. I hold you in the highest esteem. But it gets tired to constantly see that the Democrats have to crush it or they are responsible for the messes of everyone else. Hell, Biden now has to convince the cult to come back to the fold of America or people will say that he failed as a president. We're going to judge Biden's president partly on the opposite side that wants him to look bad. That's madness.
 

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I predict that day 1 he won't say it was sunny when it was raining and day 2 wont say he had the largest crowd size in history. If we can just start on that note I'll be good
 
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