Prove to me that the Gaming Community Excludes Women
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I have never seen someone advocate a total ban on women characters in video games if that's what you meant.TaboriHK said:
do Australians get a special reprieve?Dragonbums said:
I was watching Orange is the new black and saw a character wearing themColour Scientist said:
and THAT is why I never want to go to prison. A loss of dignity on that level would be too much to bear (that and the "mu mu" type things I saw around....at least Dayas mum rocks it with a t-shirt with the sleeves rolled up)
Actions over words, friend. You may not say you don't like black people, but if you burn a cross on their lawn, no one thinks you are spreading the Word.WhiteNachos said:
Uh show us actual evidence and not some random twitter post of this "Suppression of women" and I'll eat my fedora.
I did and do. We usually have fun. Until some one out of 200 someodd people say something sexist, and then she puts them on blacklist/ignore and she goes back to smiling and headshotting people. There are crappy people out in the world, nothing will change that and she doesn't expect it to. So she just shoots and teabags their bodies harder.TaboriHK said:
I generally don't care because I'm not overprotective of my wife and she can hold her own against -far- worse than some mean spirited person who could be thousands of km away telling her to "get back in the kitchen." If you decide to continue dealing with certain individuals who say things you don't agree with in spite of that ignore function, you have no one to blame but yourself.
So personal experience = evidence now?
Well then, I guess exclusion doesn't exist ever at all, because in all of the years I've been online I've never seen a woman be treated with disrespect in games for being a woman. Being a poor player or a whiner, now that's a different story.
You're making broad strokes based on what you've seen. That is not evidence, that is you insisting you are right on the basis of being a witness to it. Because you see it, it must happen everywhere. Except that it doesn't. You merely make the claim without substantial evidence.
At least you're being honest about not really having any substantial evidence.
And Ram beat me to the rest of the response. You have the power to shut these people up. Blocks and mutes exist, so what is the problem?
Well then, I guess exclusion doesn't exist ever at all, because in all of the years I've been online I've never seen a woman be treated with disrespect in games for being a woman. Being a poor player or a whiner, now that's a different story.
You're making broad strokes based on what you've seen. That is not evidence, that is you insisting you are right on the basis of being a witness to it. Because you see it, it must happen everywhere. Except that it doesn't. You merely make the claim without substantial evidence.
At least you're being honest about not really having any substantial evidence.
And Ram beat me to the rest of the response. You have the power to shut these people up. Blocks and mutes exist, so what is the problem?
One can make exceptions. You guys deal with a lot. At least it's protective footwear against 30 foot mega crocodiles. Still ugly as fuck though. (Really who conceptualized that crap?)Vault101 said:
Holy shit no. Everyone in my hometown did it at some point. They looked like they had granny feet. I mean...I guess it's comfy? But fuck you look ridiculousColour Scientist said:
Which is funny because I'm one of the last people to give a shit about looks.
I'm genuinely curious how you got that out of my post. Aside from stereotyping "non gaming casual who has no interest in any videogames" that's not even what I said. It's like you stopped halfway through my comment and called it a day.geK0 said:
Especially since I'm a women who plays games.
No, today you learned that personal experience is not sufficient to demonstrate the presence of a social issue within a specific group. You have seen it, so therefore we can confirm it exists, sure. We could even assume there are fringe groups in every community that do this, fair enough.
BUT.
Firstly, the minority does not accurately represent the majority. I don't know why you decide to insist that you're right with your (as in, 1 person out of tons and tons of people) personal experience being the only proof you have. Truly, the gaming community's exclusion policy is rampant! They MUST be stopped before it's too late!
See, here's the thing about games. You can always quit, or restart, or play with other people, or put people on mute. You are in control of your own gaming experience, even with other players. You have the choice. No one is forcing you to sit there and take shit.
I'll admit I was abrasive. My apologies. All the same thanks for being dismissive.
And while I'm at it, keep in mind that internet etiquette is impossible to enforce everywhere. Even if women were 50/50 to the men, we'd still have people insulting women for being women and men for being men. We'd still have people insulting other people based on race, orientation, gender and age. Just because we are all equals does not mean everyone will act as if we are equal, and it definitely doesn't mean people on the internet are going to treat each other with love and respect. I think we are confusing the terms "inclusive" with "acommodating." No one can control what you play. They can certainly affect your experience, but in the end you are just as responsible if you choose to face them rather than shut them up.
If a part of a community is toxic, there probably will never be a cure. Even if you change the people in the community, so long as the toxic people are still there, there's still going to be problems. And non-toxic people could easily become toxic people. It doesn't take much to bring out the worst in people; all you need is anonymity.
Cutting a weed is not as effective as pulling it out by the root. Our social issues relating to gender go deeper and way farther back than inclusive/exclusive-ness in some random gaming communities. Don't blame gaming for gender issues rooted in the whole of society. If you've got weeds, do you attack the roots or the stalks?