Quick question about the Brotherhood campaign of Saints Row 2

Hectix777

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Okay, Saints Row has been out for atleast 2 years now so I'm pretty sure I won't spoil anything. But just in case you forgot: the Brotherhood is one of the new gangs that haven risen in Stillwater and end up waging war on the Saints. The Brotherhood consist of a bunch of tatooed, truck driving, metalheads that are pretty bloodthirsty and led by a giant white tattooed(like completely inked) guy named Maero. My question is this: why was this campaign more brutal than the other gang's campaigns? Not brutal so much as twisted. I mean it starts off innocent as it could be: drive by there, shakedown here, couple car bombs there but it goes awry after Jackson(I named my character Jackson "Jacky-boy" Smith, he was whited had an English accent, dressed up as a king pin, and customized the gang to look like my privat army and they all drove around in sports cars) switched Maero's tattoo ink with nuclear waste. He doesn't die or get cancer, but the tattoo pattern looks like it was put on with a cattle iron. After this, Jacy-boy's lieutenant, Carlos, was kidnapped by the Brotherhood and tortured beyond any conceivable pain. He was beat up, cut, and than dragged by a chain on the back of a pickup truck. Jacky-boy tried to pick him up, undo the chain, and save him. In the end, even though Carlos couldn't speak, he begged for death. So Jackson held his buddies hand and put a bullet in his head. The first time he ever shoes remorse for murder.

After this, s*** goes DOWN! Okay after this, he kidnaps Maero's girlfriend and put her in the back of her custom made car. He took that car to the monster truck rally that Maero was at and placed Jessie's car, with Jessie still in there, in with the other piles of cars that were meant to be smashed. Jackson basically made Maero kill his own girlfriend. Than he tracked down Maero's best friend, a famous guitarist, and ends his show mid-concert by firing a gun. Than he starts beating up the guitarist with equipment on stage until he gets his info. Than, once he has what he wants, Jack set off the fireworks at the end of the stage, placed the guitarist's playing hand there, and crippled him with 3rd degree burns. Than eventually kills Maero, just shoots him in the brain not alot of poetry there.

Thing is, the Protagonist is naturally seen by everyone as insane beyond all reason, this just may be him being him. Crazy being crazy. He killed a yakuza boss but not before stabbing him in the back and twisting he blade so Jack's former employer/triad lord Mr. Wong could here, buried the crime lord's son, Shogo, alive in a coffin, decapitated a witch doctor, and a whole lot of other twisted s***. this makes me think, did I do this for Carlos or just because? He says to Maero that he should've made a better deal with him on how to split Stillwater. He does crazy s*** but the whole while he never mentions Carlos or even recognize him afterwards. So was that campaign twisted because his buddy Carlos got killed to give it a bit more theatricality or was it just cause
 

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Since all the campaigns can be played at any time, Carlos could be alive during any of them, save for the moment he gets killed. During the end campaign, I got nothin'. That's why he's never mentioned in any others though.

Also, I think he was killed because Lyn (A member of the Saints in the first game) was killed in what was basically the first game's equivalent to the Brotherhood campaign. I guess its tradition.

Expect another important gang member to die in Saints Row The Third.
 

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Well, Carlos was the "new kid". Compared to the Ronin killing Ayesha, Carlos was kind of minor. Sure, it sucked, but it wasn't as bad as that.

^^ It's funny, I was just replaying SR2 the other day, and I did the Carlos/girlfriend quests.
 

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Because it all started with an insult (20%!?!?!). So pretty personal from the get go. Though I'd say the Ronin had some pretty nasty vengeance wrought upon them too. (texas funeral!)
 

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ace_of_something said:
Because it all started with an insult (20%!?!?!). So pretty personal from the get go. Though I'd say the Ronin had some pretty nasty vengeance wrought upon them too. (texas funeral!)
What's that supposed to mean anyways?
 

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Shit got real.

Man, that scene was EMOTIONAL. Putting Carlos out of his misery...one of the darkest scenes in Saints Row..hell...in a VOLITION game.
So it was for vengeance?
 

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Hectix777 said:
ace_of_something said:
Because it all started with an insult (20%!?!?!). So pretty personal from the get go. Though I'd say the Ronin had some pretty nasty vengeance wrought upon them too. (texas funeral!)
What's that supposed to mean anyways?
[a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premature_burial]Texas Funeral[/a] couldn't tell you why it's called that. Just that it is.
 

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The Brotherhood chain is my favorite of the three main arcs. The writing seems better, the main protag and antag more menacing, and I just like Maero much more than the other bosses.

But yeah, the other chains are written to never mention Carlos in case you do tackle the Brotherhood first. They're all written to ignore the events of the other stories, which can lead to some rather bizarre moments of fridge logic.
 

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DeadlyYellow said:
The Brotherhood chain is my favorite of the three main arcs. The writing seems better, the main protag and antag more menacing, and I just like Maero much more than the other bosses.

But yeah, the other chains are written to never mention Carlos in case you do tackle the Brotherhood first. They're all written to ignore the events of the other stories, which can lead to some rather bizarre moments of fridge logic.
So...vengeance?
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
Well, Carlos was the "new kid". Compared to the Ronin killing Ayesha, Carlos was kind of minor. Sure, it sucked, but it wasn't as bad as that.

^^ It's funny, I was just replaying SR2 the other day, and I did the Carlos/girlfriend quests.
So in each Saints Row game they kill off the character the Boss gets close to? I mean Lin was supposed to be his love interest (though we never found that out because they never gave him a voice) and Carlos was like his apprentice. Seems kinda crappy writing to me.
 

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Hectix777 said:
Bara_no_Hime said:
Well, Carlos was the "new kid". Compared to the Ronin killing Ayesha, Carlos was kind of minor. Sure, it sucked, but it wasn't as bad as that.

^^ It's funny, I was just replaying SR2 the other day, and I did the Carlos/girlfriend quests.
So in each Saints Row game they kill off the character the Boss gets close to? I mean Lin was supposed to be his love interest (though we never found that out because they never gave him a voice) and Carlos was like his apprentice. Seems kinda crappy writing to me.
Huh? I have no idea - I'm a PS3 owner, so I can't play the first one.

I think someone important gets killed in each of the three branches. Except... does anyone get killed in the Sons arc? I can't remember anyone getting killed in that one, but... hmm.

Anyway, I don't really think the Boss was getting close to Carlos. He's way closer to his other two Homies (who are consistently in all three arcs). Which was fine by me - I love hanging with the girl homie (whose name escapes me at the moment).
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
Hectix777 said:
Bara_no_Hime said:
Well, Carlos was the "new kid". Compared to the Ronin killing Ayesha, Carlos was kind of minor. Sure, it sucked, but it wasn't as bad as that.

^^ It's funny, I was just replaying SR2 the other day, and I did the Carlos/girlfriend quests.
So in each Saints Row game they kill off the character the Boss gets close to? I mean Lin was supposed to be his love interest (though we never found that out because they never gave him a voice) and Carlos was like his apprentice. Seems kinda crappy writing to me.
Huh? I have no idea - I'm a PS3 owner, so I can't play the first one.

I think someone important gets killed in each of the three branches. Except... does anyone get killed in the Sons arc? I can't remember anyone getting killed in that one, but... hmm.

Anyway, I don't really think the Boss was getting close to Carlos. He's way closer to his other two Homies (who are consistently in all three arcs). Which was fine by me - I love hanging with the girl homie (whose name escapes me at the moment).
That's Shaundi(she was also in that weird video game vixens edition of playboy) she's the female stoner, maybe new love interest possibly, let's wait-and-see. And i disagree with you on the Carlos thing: Carlos helped the Boss break out of jail, followed his orders well, he was a good kid, and had a lot of promise and the Boss was willing to make him a banger. But than he had to kill him and he showed a lot of remorse in doing that. That's probably the one time he's shown remorse for something that I've seen, didn't even go into a state of"What have I become?" after he made Maero run over Jessie in his monster truck. I think the Boss did like Carlos, like a little brother or the new kid in school that wants to play lacrosse and asks you to teach him.
 

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That's Shaundi(she was also in that weird video game vixens edition of playboy) she's the female stoner, maybe new love interest possibly, let's wait-and-see. And i disagree with you on the Carlos thing: Carlos helped the Boss break out of jail, followed his orders well, he was a good kid, and had a lot of promise and the Boss was willing to make him a banger. But than he had to kill him and he showed a lot of remorse in doing that. That's probably the one time he's shown remorse for something that I've seen, didn't even go into a state of"What have I become?" after he made Maero run over Jessie in his monster truck. I think the Boss did like Carlos, like a little brother or the new kid in school that wants to play lacrosse and asks you to teach him.
No, I agree that she liked Carlos. I just don't think she was more attached to him than she was, say, Aisha.

Also, it amused me that you always call the Boss "him" and I always call her "her" - I've never played with the Boss male.

On that note, I'd love to see a romance between the Boss and Shaundi. My first boss was straight (and more interested in Johnny Gat), but I played my second boss as a lesbian, so she was more interested in Shaunti.

Of course, since I have absolutely no control over the character's romantic interests in cut scenes (only during gameplay) there really weren't a lot of opportunities to roleplay that.
 

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Nah, the Boss is just completely out of his/her mind. It's not for a good cause or anything, he/she is just psychotic.

C'mon... radioactive waste in a guy's tattoo ink, burning someone's hand with shoddy pyrotechnics to get him to talk (though that was kinda funny), the equivalent of a destruction derby inside a public mall? The guy/girl is simply nuts.
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
Hectix777 said:
That's Shaundi(she was also in that weird video game vixens edition of playboy) she's the female stoner, maybe new love interest possibly, let's wait-and-see. And i disagree with you on the Carlos thing: Carlos helped the Boss break out of jail, followed his orders well, he was a good kid, and had a lot of promise and the Boss was willing to make him a banger. But than he had to kill him and he showed a lot of remorse in doing that. That's probably the one time he's shown remorse for something that I've seen, didn't even go into a state of"What have I become?" after he made Maero run over Jessie in his monster truck. I think the Boss did like Carlos, like a little brother or the new kid in school that wants to play lacrosse and asks you to teach him.
No, I agree that she liked Carlos. I just don't think she was more attached to him than she was, say, Aisha.

Also, it amused me that you always call the Boss "him" and I always call her "her" - I've never played with the Boss male.

On that note, I'd love to see a romance between the Boss and Shaundi. My first boss was straight (and more interested in Johnny Gat), but I played my second boss as a lesbian, so she was more interested in Shaunti.

Of course, since I have absolutely no control over the character's romantic interests in cut scenes (only during gameplay) there really weren't a lot of opportunities to roleplay that.
Well the Boss was close to Aisha, but she had a clean beheading while Carlos was seriously FUCKED UP beyond belief and had to be put out of his misery by his friend. Aisha's death was out of Johnny&Jack's hands, he felt like he could have done more for Carlos or it could be for the simple fact of how young Carlos was. Saints Row 2 is 5 years after the first so everyone who was in he last game is either in their mid-to-late 20's or early 30's, it's okay to assume the Boss was somewhere between 23-27 during Saints Row 2 if the first game took place when he was 18 or out of highschool (Gat wore somekind of letterman jacket in Saints Row 1 and Johnny looks like he is same age as the Boss in both games, so they're either 18 or 19 during SR1 and 23-24 in SR2). They're both at least adults somewhere in between 23-27 so they're already in the midst and out in life, Carlos was atleast like 18, incredibly young, the Boss probably thought of himself as Julius Little and Carlos as himself when he started off in the game. But he failed in protecting him, and someone so young died, his apprentice died. Frankly, the Boss showed some small sense of humanity towards Carlos that maybe may have turned him into a warmer person or at least less of a psychopath, but when he had to kill Carlos he killed what chance there was for humanity or insanity.