"Rape Game" On Amazon Triggers Anger, Outrage
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An documentary called Tough Guise. It's ten years old, but I doubt much has changed.Lukeje said:
Here's a transcript, http://www.mediaed.org/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=211 .
Note- I am not Japanese so I may be wrong, perhaps someone who is can comment.
What you have to understand in games like this is the perverted 'fantasy' that the women don't really not want it. Is this game horrific? Yes. Yes it is, and there's NO denying that. But it's only sold in Japan. So why would Japan make such a horrific game? Because they have an incredibly restrictive society where you cannot show real genitalia even in Porn. Everything about Japan is repressed and compressed under layers of "civility" and Victorian-esque manners. The "crazy" out there antics you see on TV is an OUTLET, because in real life no japanese person would act out or bring attention on themselves.
The gist of where I am going... is that this game is infact a SYMPTOM of the sort of social environment that activists who attempt to repress expression- such as videogames, music, movies, and television- based on 'moral' or social judgements. In short? Men like Keith Vaz are responsible for this games creation. When you conceal or repress something it becomes twisted and perverse, concentrated.
What you have to understand in games like this is the perverted 'fantasy' that the women don't really not want it. Is this game horrific? Yes. Yes it is, and there's NO denying that. But it's only sold in Japan. So why would Japan make such a horrific game? Because they have an incredibly restrictive society where you cannot show real genitalia even in Porn. Everything about Japan is repressed and compressed under layers of "civility" and Victorian-esque manners. The "crazy" out there antics you see on TV is an OUTLET, because in real life no japanese person would act out or bring attention on themselves.
The gist of where I am going... is that this game is infact a SYMPTOM of the sort of social environment that activists who attempt to repress expression- such as videogames, music, movies, and television- based on 'moral' or social judgements. In short? Men like Keith Vaz are responsible for this games creation. When you conceal or repress something it becomes twisted and perverse, concentrated.
I see the difference, but the same rules apply. Keep it in your fantasies and I don't give a fuck. Do it in real life and I pay your cellmates to kill you.Kukul said:
Agreed.
GTA, no not by everyone you see. Most people kill innocent people in GTA. Counter strike everyone is trying to kill you.
Yes, but I think they want to feel that they're actually being raped, which is why it's roleplay and not just sex with a guy who says he's a rapist. What's wrong with the mail equivelant of that. If you're saying there is nothing wrong with a rape fetish, what's wrong with rape porn where all the real people involved can stop at any time. I don't care how emotionally disturbed the AI is.
Ok, I just saw a short video about the kind of shit thats in this game and I have concluded that there are some very sick fuckers out there. I don't know if this is normal for hentai, but if it is then there is something foul happening in the land of the rising sun.
QFT.Coalhada said:
Fantasy is fantasy. If you have difficulty distinguishing between it and reality then you have a big problem regardless. Whether it's book with graphic content, a movie depicting torture or a game that has you kill with wanton abandon. True, it might 'give people ideas', but those persons were deranged to begin with and anything could have set them off; it's not the media's fault. If you don't like a particular piece of media, that of course is your prerogative; but to denouce that it should not exist, especially if no real person was hurt unconsensually, is to show ignorance rivaling that of the Dark Age.
To be honest, the game itself is rather bland and a far less realistic simulation, both in terms of visual and 'emotional', than GTA/COD:WaW (the Russian campaign). Crying is sort of an overstatement, tearing up is more accurate. Regardless, it is a fact that Japan has a lower sexual and domestic violence rate than the US (which on a side note could be due the US being founded as a rebel country and never having, at least since WWII, more than 10 years of non-involvement in an international conflict, but I disgress). That despite all the fetishy content generated by Japan and the US's mainstream purtian vibe or maybe because of it. Whatever.
I thought that the impromptu executions of the surrendering, begging Germans by the Russian advance in WaW were the most horrible thing I've ever seen. It didn't help that they humanized them with the old, young and wounded intro. The irony is, if you recall, that the developers are Russian. In any case, playing that doesn't make me want to throw Molotov cocktails onto would be POWs; just like playing a rape simulation, a mediocre one at that, doesn't make me want to rape oddly deformed women or real women.
In summary (tl;dr), if you're mentally stable, try something before having a kneejerk reaction (provided of course that no real person is hurt unconsensually). The worst thing that'll happen is that you die a little bit inside, but that's a daily event in modern life.
GTA4 has a sequence in the story where you have to Murder somebody to progress the story. Plus, the whole point is to kill civilians. Yes it's technically optional but I highly doubt any of the devs didn't expect everyone would kill civillians.
Technically it's up to the player. No one buys GTA and doesn't kill a few civilians.
Yes, it does. If it was intended to mindwash people into raping in real life that'd be bad, if the game when put into a computer or console made the console beat the crap out of you until you rape someone in real life. The intent is porn.
You mean GTA
I'm not judging Japan based on this game, only those who buy it, and of course those who made it.
A lot has changed since then. Not in the amount of incidents, but in the realisation that domestic violence against men was actually horrendously underreported. See here [http://www.dewar4research.org/DOCS/dvg-v3.pdf] which suggests that two sexes are actually about equally violent to each other (alright, I will admit that the website is all about domestic abuse against men and is therefore somewhat biased. It still makes some good points though).Pseudonym2 said:
I clicked on the link thinking "What the Hell?". Then I saw it was Japanese and Hentai and realized I was no longer surprised or bothered. Japan loves it. It's a culture they've nurtured - I shouldn't be surprised. I don't like anything that promotes rape as being acceptable but it's not unexpected.
The whole point of the game is raping people and encouraging others to rape with you. GTA has a story and many different facets. Morally, GTA is on top of Everest compared to a rape game.Gormourn said:
I'll admit there are two games that I found that come close to the sadism of that game. The first is Postal 1, where the normal gameplay is a pacman-esque slaughter; but there's one point where you actually watch someone beg for mercy as you slowly bring the pistol to their eyes.Caliostro said:
At that point I stopped playing.(The other is City of Villains btw)
The point where you empathize with the victim just before you kill them is the line that crosses over into immorality.
With that game, it's the focus of the entire game, and to make it worse, the game is designed to allow you to get your jollies off from the suffering of others. Not the other sins but the actual suffering.
Would you feel the same way about "Prison Simulator: Don't drop the soap", where you had to be the victim in order to gain favours?
The line is sadism; and GTA, Syndicate or even Manhunt don't do that.
That's why it's worse. And no further argument from me on this, I already feel sullied.