Rape Games Banned in Japan
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I... never even knew these kinds of games existed! I knew there was something missing from my life! How the hell am I going to catch up on all these missed years!!!
In other news, probably a good thing, although I am a little worried that this might result in more actual rape cases.
In other news, probably a good thing, although I am a little worried that this might result in more actual rape cases.
I'm of the opinion, like some of the other people posting, that so long as it's not hurting anyone, then it really shouldn't be a problem
Although, I will agree, this game is definitely not helping gaming's image. Then again, most attacks against gaming are just sensationalism anyways, and most intelligent people will see right through it
On the topic of whether murder or rape is a worse crime: I personally know two people who have been raped, one of which is in my immediate family, the other is a close friend. Both of the rapes happened many years ago, and while I know it's in the vast minority, they both went on to live normal lives.
I'm of the opinion that rape, while still horrible, isn't as bad as murder, because at least the victims still have the chance to lead their lives; There will always be that percentage of people, no matter how small, who will be able to move on
Although, I will agree, this game is definitely not helping gaming's image. Then again, most attacks against gaming are just sensationalism anyways, and most intelligent people will see right through it
On the topic of whether murder or rape is a worse crime: I personally know two people who have been raped, one of which is in my immediate family, the other is a close friend. Both of the rapes happened many years ago, and while I know it's in the vast minority, they both went on to live normal lives.
I'm of the opinion that rape, while still horrible, isn't as bad as murder, because at least the victims still have the chance to lead their lives; There will always be that percentage of people, no matter how small, who will be able to move on
Look, here's my two cents.
The world is not a pretty, sugar-coated, mega-PC place. Rape, murder, mayhem, pillaging, drug abuse, bad parenting and George W. Bush fucking happen. Why should they not happen in video games?
To hold video games (and other forms of media for that matter) up to such a standard that they can no longer reflect the society in which they are created is fucking tripe. I do not plan on playing this game anytime soon, but I don't feel it should be banned.
Is it sick? Absolutely. Depraved? Hells to the yeah. Ban-worthy? No.
The world is not a pretty, sugar-coated, mega-PC place. Rape, murder, mayhem, pillaging, drug abuse, bad parenting and George W. Bush fucking happen. Why should they not happen in video games?
To hold video games (and other forms of media for that matter) up to such a standard that they can no longer reflect the society in which they are created is fucking tripe. I do not plan on playing this game anytime soon, but I don't feel it should be banned.
Is it sick? Absolutely. Depraved? Hells to the yeah. Ban-worthy? No.
Ummmm.... Why is Japan bowing to America and Britain?
I'm an American and I absolutely hate my country for getting involved in everyone else's business. It's no wonder every country hates us and wants us dead. While most of the citizens of the US don't deserve it, the entire government sure does. For a better world, I hope Japan nukes the entire US. I'll sacrifice myself to end the BS the US pulls.
I am NOT saying I condone rape. Rape is the worst possible crime. However, games are games, they are NOT real life. These games may give people a way to let out their urges without ever harming another person. That's a good thing in my mind.
I'm an American and I absolutely hate my country for getting involved in everyone else's business. It's no wonder every country hates us and wants us dead. While most of the citizens of the US don't deserve it, the entire government sure does. For a better world, I hope Japan nukes the entire US. I'll sacrifice myself to end the BS the US pulls.
I am NOT saying I condone rape. Rape is the worst possible crime. However, games are games, they are NOT real life. These games may give people a way to let out their urges without ever harming another person. That's a good thing in my mind.
Hell the games aren't actually banned, its just some over sensational news program that said it. Japan is going on its merry way making all kinds of games like this, regardless of other countries.
There is 34 rapevictims for every 100000 people in Canada (28 in the US), and 0.4 in Japan.
I would say that rape is almost a nonproblem in Japan, there must be something more important for them to focus on...
( and i agree,"I am NOT saying I condone rape. Rape is the worst possible crime. However, games are games, they are NOT real life. These games may give people a way to let out their urges without ever harming another person.")
I would say that rape is almost a nonproblem in Japan, there must be something more important for them to focus on...
( and i agree,"I am NOT saying I condone rape. Rape is the worst possible crime. However, games are games, they are NOT real life. These games may give people a way to let out their urges without ever harming another person.")
This issue is really a double edged sword it depends on how you look at it. I'm not condoning rape nor would I ever play RapeLay (and other games of the sort) but it's goes far beyond that its not a matter of content its a matter of principle. If you are going to ban games that contain rape I would also want to know why there isn't a ban on books (graphic novel or plain text) that contain rape, movies that contain rape or (more specifically in japan) Adult pornography that contains fictionalized rape.
It really is very odd that you are saying that games like this normalize and condone rape and then do nothing (or say nothing at least) about other forms of media that have the exact same portrayal of the rape seen in the game. Its not normalizing rape because the rape in the game isn't seen as something happy go lucky, its still more than likely very graphic and very wrong (as it should be) does that mean it's been normalized? No. Murder is also another heinous crime yet how much of all of our forms of media pull and use violence as an attraction? Almost everything. Nobody seems to even care about this just slap on an R or M rating so the kiddies don't see it right? As if children aren't already exposed to murder and death and killing as something fictionally OK at the age of 14.
Like somebody stated before the rape count of people in Japan is something like 0.4 per 100,000 people. Honestly that statistic doesn't mean anything, yes its incredibly low but you have to remember that's rape that is REPORTED. Japan is a very different society you can't assume that everybody will go an report a rape as often as they will in the US or Canada due to the way their society works it's hard to explain but if you know what I'm talking about you understand what I mean.
I'm all for free speech even if it has content like this that's what's good about it that stuff like this can exist. Am I saying that rape is right? No. However I'm more worried about where if stuff like this is getting banned (heinous as it may be) where does it end? Does murder and killing and violence go next just because its "not right"? You really have to stop focusing on what the content of this case was and look at it as a whole to see that this is really an encroachment on thought how to think rather than what we do and what is right. I know rape is a bad thing but does thinking about raping somebody or playing a fictional game normalize it? I don't really know I guess you have to look at is from your own angle I guess I'm somewhere in the middle
It really is very odd that you are saying that games like this normalize and condone rape and then do nothing (or say nothing at least) about other forms of media that have the exact same portrayal of the rape seen in the game. Its not normalizing rape because the rape in the game isn't seen as something happy go lucky, its still more than likely very graphic and very wrong (as it should be) does that mean it's been normalized? No. Murder is also another heinous crime yet how much of all of our forms of media pull and use violence as an attraction? Almost everything. Nobody seems to even care about this just slap on an R or M rating so the kiddies don't see it right? As if children aren't already exposed to murder and death and killing as something fictionally OK at the age of 14.
Like somebody stated before the rape count of people in Japan is something like 0.4 per 100,000 people. Honestly that statistic doesn't mean anything, yes its incredibly low but you have to remember that's rape that is REPORTED. Japan is a very different society you can't assume that everybody will go an report a rape as often as they will in the US or Canada due to the way their society works it's hard to explain but if you know what I'm talking about you understand what I mean.
I'm all for free speech even if it has content like this that's what's good about it that stuff like this can exist. Am I saying that rape is right? No. However I'm more worried about where if stuff like this is getting banned (heinous as it may be) where does it end? Does murder and killing and violence go next just because its "not right"? You really have to stop focusing on what the content of this case was and look at it as a whole to see that this is really an encroachment on thought how to think rather than what we do and what is right. I know rape is a bad thing but does thinking about raping somebody or playing a fictional game normalize it? I don't really know I guess you have to look at is from your own angle I guess I'm somewhere in the middle
Interesting point. Sounds more likely than the games solving the problems.Xshu said:
The idea of rape games and the fact that they've been around for a few years now sickens me. I'm of the opinion that rape is worse than killing because there's plenty of motives for killing and ways that it can be justified, but there's absolutly no way to justify rape and the motive just boils down to the rapist being a filthy waste of protein. Normally I'm totally against censorship, but in this case I can see some justification (although I'm still not 100% sure).
I am however curious about the point of the games lowering the actual rape rate (if this is actually the reason for low number). I know that playing violent games makes me feel noticably less aggressive afterwards, so I wouldn't put this excuse as being completely unfounded.
"Like somebody stated before the rape count of people in Japan is something like 0.4 per 100,000 people. Honestly that statistic doesn't mean anything, yes its incredibly low but you have to remember that's rape that is REPORTED. Japan is a very different society you can't assume that everybody will go an report a rape as often as they will in the US or Canada due to the way their society works it's hard to explain but if you know what I'm talking about you understand what I mean."
Japan needs to underreport rape rates at around SEVENTY TIMES that of Canada in order to equal the numbers (if you use the UN figures).
Also, here are the (leaked) contents of the recent EOCS meeting
# Words such as ?training? (調教
or ?slave? are not allowed in the title or packaging
# CG involving sexual violation cannot exceed 20% of a game?s content
# Even if it?s below 20%, anything that is promoting a criminal offense is not allowed
# Anything that promotes rape, confinement, stalking, domestic violence, and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed
# New games that have already passed the review process by the EOCS are considered ?safe? from this
# Regulations stated in the fax are completely different from what was being discussed in the emergency meeting yesterday
# New regulations starts 5th of June
Apparently the pressure for regulations actually hit the shops and suppliers first it came to the EOCS. Some are unhappy because there wasn?t a real proper general meeting held and there was no vote to decide on the details. However rape actually makes a small fraction of the industry so there might not actually be a big uproar.
This looks really bad.
Oh yeah, hypnosis is okay, apparently.
Japan needs to underreport rape rates at around SEVENTY TIMES that of Canada in order to equal the numbers (if you use the UN figures).
Also, here are the (leaked) contents of the recent EOCS meeting
# Words such as ?training? (調教
or ?slave? are not allowed in the title or packaging# CG involving sexual violation cannot exceed 20% of a game?s content
# Even if it?s below 20%, anything that is promoting a criminal offense is not allowed
# Anything that promotes rape, confinement, stalking, domestic violence, and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed
# New games that have already passed the review process by the EOCS are considered ?safe? from this
# Regulations stated in the fax are completely different from what was being discussed in the emergency meeting yesterday
# New regulations starts 5th of June
Apparently the pressure for regulations actually hit the shops and suppliers first it came to the EOCS. Some are unhappy because there wasn?t a real proper general meeting held and there was no vote to decide on the details. However rape actually makes a small fraction of the industry so there might not actually be a big uproar.
This looks really bad.
Oh yeah, hypnosis is okay, apparently.
I like how people saying we shouldn't ban this sort of crap from the market. I HATE rape. I don't think we should show rape in a scene in a movie, thats just my thinking. It just sicken me when some person gets rape, and now they made a game of it? Come on people its rape. Its 10x worst then killing someone. Like everyone said before me about it. Im all up for banning this game. I hate some censorship in games, but killing someone when their trying to kill you is very different to raping someone.
Also, don't you think someone might want to try to go rape someone? Cause its different from shooters and such cause when your playing them, at times your shooting something non-human. And its kindof hard to get a gun at times if the parents actually gives a damn about their kid, plus mostly a adult I believe would play this game. Not a kid, unless the kid got it somehow from the parent. But anyways, a adult or teen would play this game, now most of the time, they know blood and the death are fake, but what about rape? your not killing the person, your having sex with them against their will. So what if the person actually want to try it for real to see what it like? But I bet most of you who "want" this game to exist then your going to argue that shooters are just as bad.
So to those who trying to "argue" about saying murder is just as bad as rape, prove to me that its the same. Prove that if you shoot someone when they try to shoot you is just as bad as rape. Also most games today, you are "killing" a robot, monster, alien, etc. So my two cents is just ban rape.
Now in movies, if a person is "rape" I don't want to see it. I don't mind if they say the person was rape, would just give me another reason to hate that person(Cause I know that jackass is going to get killed at the end..hopefully), but I don't want to see the part of that person being rape, cause then I will feel sick to my stomach and I don't want to watch the rest of the movie.
Also, don't you think someone might want to try to go rape someone? Cause its different from shooters and such cause when your playing them, at times your shooting something non-human. And its kindof hard to get a gun at times if the parents actually gives a damn about their kid, plus mostly a adult I believe would play this game. Not a kid, unless the kid got it somehow from the parent. But anyways, a adult or teen would play this game, now most of the time, they know blood and the death are fake, but what about rape? your not killing the person, your having sex with them against their will. So what if the person actually want to try it for real to see what it like? But I bet most of you who "want" this game to exist then your going to argue that shooters are just as bad.
So to those who trying to "argue" about saying murder is just as bad as rape, prove to me that its the same. Prove that if you shoot someone when they try to shoot you is just as bad as rape. Also most games today, you are "killing" a robot, monster, alien, etc. So my two cents is just ban rape.
Now in movies, if a person is "rape" I don't want to see it. I don't mind if they say the person was rape, would just give me another reason to hate that person(Cause I know that jackass is going to get killed at the end..hopefully), but I don't want to see the part of that person being rape, cause then I will feel sick to my stomach and I don't want to watch the rest of the movie.
They want to get rid of the Rape games because they "Denigrate the status of women". So after the rape games are gone, then they'll have to go after hentai, probably first anime, then manga. Of course, if you're going to ban hentai, then you may as well go for all fantasy porn, so that's all fan fiction, artwork, and online role playing. After you've done that, you have to move on to the porn industry, because that's the only leg left. Of course, get enough support and they'll buckle to the pressure, and then you can move onto the real threat: Free thought. Then you can type up a new constitution with the first amendment being the right to bear arms, and everyone will be happy.
Extremely unlikely? Yeah, but then so was the evolution of the human race and it worked, so why couldn't this.
Just sad.
Extremely unlikely? Yeah, but then so was the evolution of the human race and it worked, so why couldn't this.
Just sad.