So this is some real 4D chess stuff.
The claim now is Russia tried to frame Hillary of trying to frame Donald Trump of colluding with Russian
Ratcliffe declassified Russian intelligence assessment that claims Hillary was setting up a plan to connect Trump campaign to Russian hacking
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The claim now is Russia tried to frame Hillary of trying to frame Donald Trump of colluding with Russian
Pfft. That's nothing! I heard Trump tried to frame Obama for trying to frame Russia for trying to frame Hilary for trying to frame Biden for trying to frame Russia for trying to frame Trump for trying to frame Hilary for trying to frame Obama for trying to frame Biden for trying to frame Russia for trying to frame Russia for colluding with Russia.
At this point its been so long and so many fingers have edited, omitted, destroyed, rewritten and falsified evidence I don't think we'll ever know what happened. Worse I don't think Americans care anymore.
At this point its been so long and so many fingers have edited, omitted, destroyed, rewritten and falsified evidence I don't think we'll ever know what happened. Worse I don't think Americans care anymore.
Oh, this hasn't already been happening?
Let me spoil it for you: Russia screwed around with both the public news and the intelligence community. Neither party asked them to do this. The end.
Also, it never had as significant an impact as the mainstream media portrayed given all the other screwing around done by various wealthy interests and countries that gets routinely ignored.
Given the much-investigated and well-substantiated evidence of Russian interference in favour of Trump, declassifying the feeblest of rumours gratifying the opposite idea just to feed the right-wing conspiracy theory mill is particularly pathetic.
Well yeah but that doesn't count because his lawyers filed a F4-11 "Takesies Backsies" form years later when it turns out that was illegal.
To be fair, more or less this same allegation was also in "Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign". Although I guess they dated it later.
Here's a hot take for you: there's nothing wrong about anyone, including a foreign entity, releasing truths during an election. Releasing real materials isn't screwing with an election, and hoping for the release of real materials isn't immoral. The problem isn't Russia caring about the US election, the problem is the lies.
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So the claim is that Hillary tried in July of 2016 to blame Trump for Russian Hacking AFTER Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton, a protected US official, former first lady, former senator and former secretary of state which they actually tried after he asked them to? For anyone to hack Clinton at all would be an attack on the US government. Trump asked Russia to do so in front of the world, it is no secret, and they complied. THIS after Russia had already hacked the department of defense, the electric grid, numerous hospitals, numerous senators and other government officials.. so Trump publicly asking Russia to attack a protected US official is actually treason, and Some how Clinton thinking they should go after Trump for that is somehow in the wrong for doing so now? LMAO talk about some mental gymnastics here. This after everything that had just happened is supposed to be news? You gotta be kidding right? Suffering from short term memory loss of the timeline of events that happened just before this? I am guessing that is what they are counting on here.
No 4d chess to say, hey Trump just told Russia to Hack Clinton in front of the world, and then they actually tried immediately after so Clinton says, Trump is involved in the Russian hacking and should be accountable for it, is no some elaborate plan here? ... Too funny.
I have to wonder if they are just counting on everyone to forget what actually happened at the time this was said.
No 4d chess to say, hey Trump just told Russia to Hack Clinton in front of the world, and then they actually tried immediately after so Clinton says, Trump is involved in the Russian hacking and should be accountable for it, is no some elaborate plan here? ... Too funny.
I have to wonder if they are just counting on everyone to forget what actually happened at the time this was said.
It was more than that, Trump had just asked Russia to hack Clinton in front of the entire world so Clinton saying he should be held accountable is somehow an unexpected action now? ROFL.
Trump asked Russia to find Clinton’s emails. On or around the same day, Russians targeted her accounts
"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press," Trump said in a July 27, 2016, news conference.
www.pbs.org
No the claim is she was blaming Trump for them for the DNC hack not hacking her email private server that had no protections on it really at all.
You know that was proven to be 100% false right? Her sever was never actually hacked because it was actually protected. Russia TRIED and failed to hack her. Stop believing Trump tweets. If he tweets it, chances are it is a lie.
FBI: No evidence Clinton server hacked despite Trump tweet
WASHINGTON (AP) — The FBI said Wednesday that it has no evidence Hillary Clinton's private email server was compromised even though President Donald Trump tweeted a news report that alleged the Chinese had hacked it. Trump tweeted Tuesday evening about a report in the conservative Daily Caller...
apnews.com
She was blaming Trump for telling Russians TO hack her, since the same Russians who were trying to do so at his request were ALSO the same ones who hacked the DNC, the Department of defense, the US electrical grid, hospitals.. Trump encouraging them to hack US officials is actually treason. Also, China didn't hack her either.
Senate investigators find no evidence China hacked Clinton server | CNN Politics
A long-running Republican-led investigation into the handling of classified information on Hillary Clinton's private email server did not find any evidence that China had successfully hacked the former secretary of state, confirming the findings of the FBI, according to a memo released by two...
www.cnn.com
Russians tried to hack Clinton server on day Trump urged email search
Prosecutors say spies began hacking on 27 July 2016 – but indictment does not suggest direct link with Trump’s request
www.theguardian.com
You know that was proven to be 100% false right? Her sever was never actually hacked because it was actually protected. Russia TRIED and failed to hack her. Stop believing Trump tweets. If he tweets it, chances are it is a lie.
FBI: No evidence Clinton server hacked despite Trump tweet
WASHINGTON (AP) — The FBI said Wednesday that it has no evidence Hillary Clinton's private email server was compromised even though President Donald Trump tweeted a news report that alleged the Chinese had hacked it. Trump tweeted Tuesday evening about a report in the conservative Daily Caller...
She was blaming Trump for telling Russians TO hack her, since the same Russians who were trying to do so at his request were ALSO the same ones who hacked the DNC, the Department of defense, the US electrical grid, hospitals.. Trump encouraging them to hack US officials is actually treason. Also, China didn't hack her either.
Senate investigators find no evidence China hacked Clinton server | CNN Politics
A long-running Republican-led investigation into the handling of classified information on Hillary Clinton's private email server did not find any evidence that China had successfully hacked the former secretary of state, confirming the findings of the FBI, according to a memo released by two...Tried =\= successful because her server actually WAS protected, unlike what misinformation you may have read.Russians tried to hack Clinton server on day Trump urged email search
Prosecutors say spies began hacking on 27 July 2016 – but indictment does not suggest direct link with Trump’s request
The claim was Russia.
Two of the specific sources you just cited say no evidence China hacked it.
Specificity is rather important here.
The claims were about Hillary planning to blame Trump for Russian interference according to intercepted Russian intelligence from LateJuly.
The final source you used claims Russians weren't even trying to hack into Hillary's server until the 27th of July
The leaked DNC emails came out June & July 2016 and were published by wikileaks July 22nd 2016.
Hillary Clinton email controversy - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
You looked at the sources, correct? The DNC hack was not involving Clinton's sever, Russia never breached Clinton's server, they have repeatedly stated there was NO EVIDENCE Clinton's server was ever breached by anyone. DNC=\=Clinton server. DO not conflate them as being the same thing. There is NO evidence anyone hacked Clinton's server. Hacking aides and others =\= Clinton's server. In addition, those hacked were using the government servers they wanted Clinton to use, where if she had, she likely would have been hacked.The claim was Russia.
Two of the specific sources you just cited say no evidence China hacked it.
Specificity is rather important here.
The claims were about Hillary planning to blame Trump for Russian interference according to intercepted Russian intelligence from LateJuly.
The final source you used claims Russians weren't even trying to hack into Hillary's server until the 27th of July
The leaked DNC emails came out June & July 2016 and were published by wikileaks July 22nd 2016.
Hillary Clinton email controversy - Wikipedia
"No public evidence has emerged to indicate that hackers compromised Clinton’s private server, although the FBI did determine that some of the messages she sent from the server were exposed when someone hacked her aides’ personal email accounts. "
DOJ watchdog slams Comey for claiming Clinton’s server could have been hacked
No public evidence has emerged to indicate that hackers compromised Clinton’s private server.
www.politico.com
Misrepresenting speculation as fact is still just misinformation. Also, Clinton not saying what security was used does not mean there wasn't any. Read the sources, they have no evidence it was hacked+ the AP was just not aware of what security was being used at the time of writing that article, not that none existed.
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Was that the server that was allegedly setup inside a house with bog standard locks and stuck in a cupboard?You know that was proven to be 100% false right? Her sever was never actually hacked because it was actually protected. Russia TRIED and failed to hack her. Stop believing Trump tweets. If he tweets it, chances are it is a lie.
FBI: No evidence Clinton server hacked despite Trump tweet
WASHINGTON (AP) — The FBI said Wednesday that it has no evidence Hillary Clinton's private email server was compromised even though President Donald Trump tweeted a news report that alleged the Chinese had hacked it. Trump tweeted Tuesday evening about a report in the conservative Daily Caller...
She was blaming Trump for telling Russians TO hack her, since the same Russians who were trying to do so at his request were ALSO the same ones who hacked the DNC, the Department of defense, the US electrical grid, hospitals.. Trump encouraging them to hack US officials is actually treason. Also, China didn't hack her either.
Senate investigators find no evidence China hacked Clinton server | CNN Politics
A long-running Republican-led investigation into the handling of classified information on Hillary Clinton's private email server did not find any evidence that China had successfully hacked the former secretary of state, confirming the findings of the FBI, according to a memo released by two...Tried =\= successful because her server actually WAS protected, unlike what misinformation you may have read.Russians tried to hack Clinton server on day Trump urged email search
Prosecutors say spies began hacking on 27 July 2016 – but indictment does not suggest direct link with Trump’s request
Because if it was, that server had fuck all protection at both the virtual and physical level.
You looked at the sources, correct? The DNC hack was not involving Clinton's sever, Russia never breached Clinton's server, they have repeatedly stated there was NO EVIDENCE Clinton's server was ever breached by anyone. DNC=\=Clinton server. DO not conflate them as being the same thing. There is NO evidence anyone hacked Clinton's server. Hacking aides and others =\= Clinton's server. In addition, those hacked were using the government servers they wanted Clinton to use, where if she had, she likely would have been hacked.
"No public evidence has emerged to indicate that hackers compromised Clinton’s private server, although the FBI did determine that some of the messages she sent from the server were exposed when someone hacked her aides’ personal email accounts. "
DOJ watchdog slams Comey for claiming Clinton’s server could have been hacked
No public evidence has emerged to indicate that hackers compromised Clinton’s private server.
Misrepresenting speculation as fact is still just misinformation. Also, Clinton not saying what security was used does not mean there wasn't any. Read the sources, they have no evidence it was hacked+ the AP was just not aware of what security was being used at the time of writing that article, not that none existed.
yeh and the specifics of this intelligence stuff was not related to Clinton's server but the DNC hack and claims of Russian interference which the claim for was picked up being pushed round by Russian intelligence in late July.
Those hacked were using government servers, but had people phish their passwords lol.
Again security experts said there was obvious vulnerabilities and little protection on her private server. Which is an issue but the argument she was just using her server to claim the Russians were interfering is nonsense and info leaked by Russians had already happened and seemed to harm the DNC.
