The point isn't what Trump did, the timeline, or whether or not what she did was called for but the points made in the memo.
Ratcliffe declassified Russian intelligence assessment that claims Hillary was setting up a plan to connect Trump campaign to Russian hacking
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It is the point because CONTEXT is everything. This doesn't exist in a vacuum that makes everything else happening before, during and after nonexistent. This is just one link in the chain of events taking place, and a logical course of action when you look at the actual chain of events.
That is like saying " OMG LOOK HE TOOK HIS PANTS OFF!" but ignoring the what, who why where and when of it all. That is just ignorant. Well everyone takes their pants off when changing for bed.. It isn't like he was standing in the middle of a classroom full of school children.. This is why context matters.
In case you didn't notice, that memo is part of the context.
And that possible motive from Clinton shouldn't surprise anyone given Libya, etc. Regarding that, she makes Trump look like an amateur.
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It sounds like Ratcliffe has already said hes not sure what extent its exaggerated or fabricated.
" But Ratcliffe added that American intelligence agencies do ānot know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.ā "
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So it sounds like this is already pretty pointless and just there by a desperate administration to muddy the waters.
" But Ratcliffe added that American intelligence agencies do ānot know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.ā "
Trump intel chief unveils unverified Russian info about Dems
WASHINGTON (AP) ā The Trump administration's top intelligence official said Tuesday that he has declassified Russian intelligence alleging damaging information about Democrats during the 2016 election even though he acknowledged it might not be true.
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So it sounds like this is already pretty pointless and just there by a desperate administration to muddy the waters.
Trump is a bumbling idiot, the people in his campaign were the ones pulling this off. Trump is too stupid to keep quiet, he just blatantly committed treason openly and in public by telling Russia to hack a Protected US official, Former First lady of the United states who is under secret service protection for the rest of her life, former senator and secretary of state. To ask anyone to hack her is treason. Just because Trump openly and publicly committed treason does not mean he should be excused for it. Trump's campaign chair was literally on Russia's payroll being paid millions and had just worked to undermine the Ukraine government to help give Russia Crimea. Trump made a foreign agent head of national security for the United States, and that isn't even getting into all of Trumps other ties to Russia. That alone though is more than enough to be able to hold Trump and his campaign liable. The only reason they didn't actually hold him accountable, is they were worried of the optics, but the reality is they should hold everyone to the same law not allowing anyone to be placed above the law as they allowed for Trump here.
If there is evidence of that, then Trump should be prosecuted. The same goes for Clinton and the contents of that server.
Meanwhile, we're also talking about a Clinton who with Obama engaged in warmongering and destabilized other countries, leading to large numbers of civilians dead.
Why would the contents of that sever be prosecuted, it was never breached and under the control of the secret service 24/7? They have done numerous investigations and determined that there was nothing to prosecute Hillary for. If there was ANYTHING at all they could charge Hillary for, they would have done it already, as GOP would love to do so more than anything else. They just don't have anything to do so. They can't burn down her house without burning down their own, as those accusing her have done far worse than anything she ever did for the most part. Trump's entire administration has used more unprotected devices, emails and exposed more classified information than ANY other, so if they were going to go after Hillary, they would have to take themselves down with it, with Trump being the worst offender of them all. Trump literally fired his security guy that was supposed to secure his phone and didn't replace him so he didn't have to secure his phone for like a year while still using it.. LMAO
However, we have an additional long list of actual crimes to prosecute trump for, ONCE he is no longer in control of the FBI and DoJ and can obstruct investigations. Whether or not they choose to do so is the question. Just because there is abundant evidence, and probable cause for arrest and prosecution in the US, we have no law that says they have to do it. That is why criminals walk ever day, as they are not required to charge criminals regardless of how much evidence they have.
Sadly in the US, however, Presidents, congress, secretaries of state ect are legally allowed to engage in warmongering and warmongering is completely legal for them to do so, so there is nothing to be prosecuted for there. If it were illegal, we would have to arrest every US president, secretary of state and congress that ever existed, including Trump and his goons, as they all did this. They are the ONLY ones in the country that are designated to be allowed to do this apparently.
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Ah yes Hillary Clinton whose husband signed every trade agreement with CCP China, lied about confronting China in the campaign for president to score political points. Bill Clinton is the plurality of the reason China even exists as it is today. And there were allegations of communist Chinese Officials bribing his campaign.
inb4 "It's fake"
Only thing to put this to rest is some highly publicized trials and later executions for treason. Otherwise it didn't really happen. Maybe it didn't happen.
Only thing to put this to rest is some highly publicized trials and later executions for treason. Otherwise it didn't really happen. Maybe it didn't happen.
This was the Russia dossier on Trump summarized in a sentence
Disagree with the anti-war statement, I only against wars if they are unnecessary, against genocidal fucks like Xi, and his politburo it's more than warrened. Using that logic we shouldn't have gone to war against Japan, or Germany in World War 2 if they didn't attack us or declare war on us. Concentration camps are a just cause to go to war.
Japan and Germany were sorta in favour of genocide, though.
Not so much Italy, though.
EDIT: Oops, misinterpreted what you said there.
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Yeah. We didnāt care about Concentration Camps. And we were pretty comfortable with them taking countries as long as it wasnāt countries we liked
We had absolutely no idea there was any genocide going on in those Concentration Camps. And the genocide didnāt even start til ā42 after America got involved. Thatās called hindsight.
The fact that a private server was used already violates federal law. It's also likely that it contains incriminating evidence concerning activities that would be considered war crimes.
Your last point is notable because it refers to Trump and his goons and Obama and his goons. One of those goons is Clinton:
Hillary Clinton: A Proven Warmonger - Antiwar.com
Even considering that no one is fit to be president ā in that no one should be able to command a state, which rules by threatening and committing - Sheldon Richman for Antiwar.com
It also goes against your views because the same legalese can be used in favor of Trump.
Ultimately, amidst all of your LMAOs, you will realize the bitter reality brought about by the conclusion of your post. There are two sides involved in this: the people and politicians who are fighting with each other over who rules.
Also, Trump's buddies:
Opinion | Trump really is Xiās friend. The phase one trade deal proves it
The US presidentās pressure has helped China in a way its leaders would not want to acknowledge publicly, by strengthening the hands of its pro-reform officials.
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Through the lens of realpolitik, all wars become necessary, including those against a Japan for which trade embargoes were employed because the West could not accept the fact that "orientals" could fight back, not to mention a Germany that was partly inspired by eugenics from the U.S. and for which industrialists eagerly traded.
The same thing happened after, as the U.S. embarked on support for all sorts of regimes and terror groups worldwide
and partly to use a military industrial complex to, among other things, keep the petrodollar propped up.
What about them using AOL or other email services that keep getting hacked repeatedly like Collin Powell did before Hillary? Then all of Trump's Administration who have done so as well? Trump refused to secure his devices for a while at all.. If you want to prosecute Hillary for using a private server protected by secret service 24/7 you think they should also do so to every former and current admin who has done so as well including the sitting president? She didn't do anything worse than everyone else did before and after her, if anything she was better than those that were before and after her.The fact that a private server was used already violates federal law. It's also likely that it contains incriminating evidence concerning activities that would be considered war crimes.
Your last point is notable because it refers to Trump and his goons and Obama and his goons. One of those goons is Clinton:
Hillary Clinton: A Proven Warmonger - Antiwar.com
Even considering that no one is fit to be president ā in that no one should be able to command a state, which rules by threatening and committing - Sheldon Richman for Antiwar.comoriginal.antiwar.com
It also goes against your views because the same legalese can be used in favor of Trump.
Ultimately, amidst all of your LMAOs, you will realize the bitter reality brought about by the conclusion of your post. There are two sides involved in this: the people and politicians who are fighting with each other over who rules.
The bitter reality of my post is in order to prosecute Hillary for anything they would have to prosecute Trump and everyone else as well, as they have done far worse in that regard. TBH, though Trump's use of unsecure devices isn't even noteworthy on the list of actual crimes he should be prosecuted for.
You aren't going to be able to prosecute Hillary, Obama, Trump, Bush, Bill Or even Jimmy Carter for their war crimes. Who exactly is going to hold them accountable in the US? Who from elsewhere is going to have the nuts from another country to even try? They will never be held accountable for it so it is dreaming to think it will ever happen. Not even trump's admin is willing to do that because they know that they would have to take trump down with the rest of them as well. We can say " OMG they did horrible things! But that isn't going to go any further than that, like ever. Obama's terror Tuesdays were a hard act for anyone to follow tbh.
I already realize the reality here, and it is the war crimes aren't changing anytime soon. We haven't been given an option for someone who isn't going to do more war crimes yet at all.
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Genocide started before '42 (Barbarossa). Einsatzgruppen were deployed as assassination squads since the invasion of Poland in Sep 39'. Systematic murder of teachers, clergy, nobles, about 65,000 were murdered at the beginning. Use of mobile gas-chambers - stuff them in the back of the truck, fill it with CO and drive around the forest - was deployed since mid 41'. Mass executions were perpetrated in occupied Poland before that.
I think the Allies had a good enough idea what was going on in German concentration camps, that they were an ongoing atrocity where Jews and others unfavoured by the Nazi regime were dying on a colossal scale, even prior to 1942.
I can tell IT is one of the few fields youāre not fluent in. Having some doofus in a black suit with a pistol standing next to it is NOT control of a server.