Reasons why we shouldnt get COD black ops

[TsunamiWombat]

Reasons this won't work.

1.) Because people don't care, especially tweens who enjoy violence.
2.) Because it won't work.
3.) Because God hates us.

 

[Wolfram23]

If the game is good, I might buy it USED. I will not pay full price for it. My reason is that it's just another FPS. It might be a good one, we'll see, but it's still CoD and will focus on basically what MW2 did. Crazy frantic multiplayer and really stupid - but fun - single player. Well, that's what I expect, at least.

Regardless, I tend to think of Activision as the devil these days so I'm not going to shell out on a new copy.

 

[tlozoot]

Vote with your wallet. If you're happy with Activision, or think the bad things Activision have done are worth the game then buy it. If not then do not buy it.

Persoanlly wont be buying and I expect Black Ops to sell less than MW2.

 

[T_ConX]

As much as I hate ripping on a game that hasn't come out yet, I'm confident that most of the reasons why I steered clear of CoD6 will continue to exist in CoD7, namely:

1) Bobby Kotick.
2) There are better FPSs out there. They might not have marketing campaigns in the 9-digit range, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
3) Over-priced Map Packs.
4) Is it REALLY going to be any different from the other games?
5) The online community.
6) Subscription fees? For an FPS?
7) That stupid, stupid, STUPID, XP-based leveling system.

 

[YesConsiderably]

World at War is comfortably the best game in the Call of Duty series.

The enemy spawn system they introduced was perfect, and the concepts behind levels such as Downfall, Relentless, Burn 'em Out, Semper Fi and Eviction were completely unique. And in terms of set pieces, Vendetta is the best level in the franchise (though CoD 3's the Mace runs it close).

The presentation was absolutely top draw, too.

Black Ops is a day one purchase for me. If my local game store does a midnight release, i'll dress up for it.

 

[Dxz5roxg]

I think it looks good. BUT it doesn't look good enough for me to buy it with all the really great games that will be coming out around the same time. Good thing it will almost be Christmas when it comes out.

 

[RowdyRodimus]

I'm not getting it for the simple fact that I hate FPS. As for your #3 reason about IW not getting bonuses, boo freaking hoo. Do you understand that they call them a bonus because it's something that is given at the whim of the employeer (unless you consider contracted performance "bonuses" which are actually just nice ways of saying salary restructuring) and don't have to be given out?

 

[Pearwood]

1. Buying the next will make them think they can keep it the same

I don't understand this, they can keep it the same. It's a massively popular structure, why would they change it?

2. Buying it will support their idea to make a subscription plan for COD

And you think denying them profit from game sales alone is going to make monthly subscriptions less likely?

3. They didnt pay the bonus to the workers of modern warfare 2 and this really pisses me off

Well that is a bit unfair given MW2's success but it doesn't really affect the quality of the game and not buying it at all will end up with the developers having even less money.

4. it will play the same and im tired of this

If you're tired of it then don't buy it, you don't have to convince the whole world to boycott it with you.

5 it will give money to activision

Activision are successful for a reason, the CEO has made some unpopular decisions but as a consumer I don't care, all I care about is the end result and they do make some damn good games.

6. The map packs are ridiculous and i dont want the absurdity to continue

I think it's fair to be honest. You can't expect them to work on making new content for free.

7 price aint worth it

If that's your opinion then don't buy it, you don't have to convince the whole world to boycott it with you.

 

[mrdude2010]

actually, most of the playlists wont let you enter without the content if you try to select a playlist where DLC is required it will tell you "players do not have the required DLC" and your icon will flash until you change to social slayer or lone wolves, the only playlists that dont require it.

also, those map packs for COD4 and the legendary map pack for halo are like 4 fucking years old its pathetic that they're not free

and yes, when i buy a game i assume im buying all the content for that game, since without some of the content (such as map packs) you're not buying a full game, in which case why the hell am i paying $60 for an incomplete game? also my original point was that if you bought the map packs when they came out they were like $5-10 each

If I remember correctly, most of the playlists in Halo 3 require mainly the Heroic Map Pack, which, as I said, is free. If you don't want to get it, frankly, that's your own fault. I also stand by my original point about Legendary costing only $2. I mean, really. You can afford $60 games but not a few maps for $2? What?

Also, yes, when you buy a game you are buying all the content on the game disc. That means no map packs. The game is by no means incomplete (unless you consider the lack of a basic Forge canvas incomplete, in which case I point back to the Heroic pack, and therefore Foundry, being free), and it's fully playable without any DLC. As for the matchmaking itself, I find it difficult to expect a developer to not make playlists for the new multiplayer content simply because a few people are too stubborn to get the DLC.

Here's the real kicker, though, the one that should kill your entire stance on DLC. They're expansions to a finished game. On account of being expansions, they are using up more of the studio's time and resources to be made, and that has to be accounted for separately. What the hell kind of entitlement issue do you have to believe that anything made for a game after the release should be handed to you on a silver platter for free? Seriously. Maybe you should start acting like Black Ops or Reach should be mailed to you free of charge as well. It may seem ridiculous, but it's no different from your demands for free DLC.

If we were talking about the costume packs in Street Fighter IV, or the extra chapters in Assassin's Creed 2, then you may be on to something, but not in the case of map packs.

its actually completely different, because im not demanding free DLC, im saying an integral part of the multiplayer gameplay, multiplayer maps, should be included with the game. they are obviously an important part of the game, and have a significant impact on gameplay

and again, for the 5th time, im talking about when this DLC came out, i know its only $2 now but when it came out it was an extra $5-10... besides, aside from foundry the heroic map pack was shit standoff and rats nest are two of the worst maps in halo history... not saying i could do better but those were really bad...

im sorry that i want an integral part of the gameplay to be included with the game?
im not demanding a free finished product, im demanding that i purchase a full finished product with my $60

what really irks me is in games like beatles rock band, where the entire abbey road album was DLC on day one. that has no possible justification aside from wanting more money

 

[Miles Tormani]

its actually completely different, because im not demanding free DLC, im saying an integral part of the multiplayer gameplay, multiplayer maps, should be included with the game. they are obviously an important part of the game, and have a significant impact on gameplay

Okay, now you're not even fucking listening. An integral part of the multiplayer gameplay, the maps, are already on the goddamn disc that you purchased. Why do I have to keep repeating this? Demanding the rest of the map packs for free, because they're an "integral part of the multiplayer gameplay," is demanding DLC for free. Q.E.D.

and again, for the 5th time, im talking about when this DLC came out, i know its only $2 now but when it came out it was an extra $5-10... besides, aside from foundry the heroic map pack was shit standoff and rats nest are two of the worst maps in halo history... not saying i could do better but those were really bad...

This was not the fifth time you said this. Aside from which, when the map packs came out, they each had one playlist that required them. Now that they're either free or significantly price-dropped, Bungie can get away with requiring them for more playlists. Complaining about the quality of the Heroic Map Pack is an unrelated issue.

im sorry that i want an integral part of the gameplay to be included with the game?
im not demanding a free finished product, im demanding that i purchase a full finished product with my $60

The multiplayer is on the damn disc to begin with! How are you not seeing this? It is included with the game, damn it.

what really irks me is in games like beatles rock band, where the entire abbey road album was DLC on day one. that has no possible justification aside from wanting more money

I'm sorry. At what point where there map packs for Halo or Call of Duty that were available on day one? This is entirely unrelated.

 

[mrdude2010]

its actually completely different, because im not demanding free DLC, im saying an integral part of the multiplayer gameplay, multiplayer maps, should be included with the game. they are obviously an important part of the game, and have a significant impact on gameplay

Okay, now you're not even fucking listening. An integral part of the multiplayer gameplay, the maps, are already on the goddamn disc that you purchased. Why do I have to keep repeating this? Demanding the rest of the map packs for free, because they're an "integral part of the multiplayer gameplay," is demanding DLC for free. Q.E.D.

and again, for the 5th time, im talking about when this DLC came out, i know its only $2 now but when it came out it was an extra $5-10... besides, aside from foundry the heroic map pack was shit standoff and rats nest are two of the worst maps in halo history... not saying i could do better but those were really bad...

This was not the fifth time you said this. Aside from which, when the map packs came out, they each had one playlist that required them. Now that they're either free or significantly price-dropped, Bungie can get away with requiring them for more playlists. Complaining about the quality of the Heroic Map Pack is an unrelated issue.

im sorry that i want an integral part of the gameplay to be included with the game?
im not demanding a free finished product, im demanding that i purchase a full finished product with my $60

The multiplayer is on the damn disc to begin with! How are you not seeing this? It is included with the game, damn it.

what really irks me is in games like beatles rock band, where the entire abbey road album was DLC on day one. that has no possible justification aside from wanting more money

I'm sorry. At what point where there map packs for Halo or Call of Duty that were available on day one? This is entirely unrelated.

obviously neither of us will ever agree with each other

yes that was unrelated to the whole COD/Halo discussion but it still involves DLC

i believe that the MAPS YOU PLAY THE MULTIPLAYER ON are an integral part of the gameplay otherwise, where are you? a gametype with no maps? seriously. it's game content for a game you've already purchased. you're paying $60 for not the full gaming experience therefore in my opinion its not a complete game

we've both said pretty much the same arguments back and forth many times now maybe we should just drop it as obviously im not going to change my mind and i doubt you are either

 

[Miles Tormani]

obviously neither of us will ever agree with each other

yes that was unrelated to the whole COD/Halo discussion but it still involves DLC

i believe that the MAPS YOU PLAY THE MULTIPLAYER ON are an integral part of the gameplay otherwise, where are you? a gametype with no maps? seriously. it's game content for a game you've already purchased. you're paying $60 for not the full gaming experience therefore in my opinion its not a complete game

we've both said pretty much the same arguments back and forth many times now maybe we should just drop it as obviously im not going to change my mind and i doubt you are either

I already said that improper use of DLC, such as the Battle of Forli, the Street Fighter IV costumes (which were already on the disc; you had to pay just to UNLOCK them), and your Abbey Road example, are bad.

Maybe I'd acknowledge your point a bit more if you paid attention to the fact that the maps you play multiplayer on are included with the game. Last I checked, people still play BTB on Valhalla and Sandtrap. You are also using past prices to justify your disdain for a present-day gaming space. I've already said that at the time that the map packs were full price, the amount of playlists requiring them was a far smaller amount. Hell, Modern Warfare 2 only had one playlist devoted entirely to the Stimulus Package when it came out, as opposed to integration with the other playlists.

But whatever. You want to drop it? We can drop it, I guess.

 

[TinCynic]

Not to buy:
1. It's during the Cold War (yawn)

Reasons to buy:
1. it supposedly has Sgt. Reznov or whatever-his-name-was returning.

 

[StonedMonkey]

Reasons TO Buy it:

1. It might actually be good. (!)


Reasons Not To Judge Until it Comes Out:

1. Because you've never PLAYED it. You don't know that it will be more of the same or worse, or better. Personally, I think Treyarch is underrated because people compare it to Infinity Ward. Which is odd, because the same people HATE Infinity Ward.

fanboy.

 

[mrdude2010]

obviously neither of us will ever agree with each other

yes that was unrelated to the whole COD/Halo discussion but it still involves DLC

i believe that the MAPS YOU PLAY THE MULTIPLAYER ON are an integral part of the gameplay otherwise, where are you? a gametype with no maps? seriously. it's game content for a game you've already purchased. you're paying $60 for not the full gaming experience therefore in my opinion its not a complete game

we've both said pretty much the same arguments back and forth many times now maybe we should just drop it as obviously im not going to change my mind and i doubt you are either

I already said that improper use of DLC, such as the Battle of Forli, the Street Fighter IV costumes (which were already on the disc; you had to pay just to UNLOCK them), and your Abbey Road example, are bad.

Maybe I'd acknowledge your point a bit more if you paid attention to the fact that the maps you play multiplayer on are included with the game. Last I checked, people still play BTB on Valhalla and Sandtrap. You are also using past prices to justify your disdain for a present-day gaming space. I've already said that at the time that the map packs were full price, the amount of playlists requiring them was a far smaller amount. Hell, Modern Warfare 2 only had one playlist devoted entirely to the Stimulus Package when it came out, as opposed to integration with the other playlists.

But whatever. You want to drop it? We can drop it, I guess.

were dropping this because im not changing my mind. i will credit MW2 for not forcing me to buy things like stimulus package, but its still silly that i paid $60 for what was supposed to be a complete game and ended up missing out on some of the content; i dont want to have to wait 3 years for the legendary map pack to be $2, and i dont want to be forced to play just lone wolves and social slayer in the intervening time... the price of the map packs is kind of moot point at this time anyway just because of the multiplayer disk included with ODST, but going back to COD MW, it's basically the same thing; i dont like being forced to wait for several years for the prices to drop to a low level.. im a low budget gamer i save my money for other things like college and i dont like not being able to access the full game because microsoft wants me to pay an extra $5 on top of the $4 a month i already pay to access xbl gold

end of rant

 

[sarge1942]

going on my experience from Call of Duty Modern Warefare 2 aside from the many many flaws of the game as a game (aka, most important flaws) one thing i noticed from that game was just how much better you were than the enemy, waaaaay too much patriotism for my taste, it's alright in the USA but if you're shipping it to other countries... yeah, i saw it as big bad american badasses kill a bunch of weak wimpy little way too evil Russians, to me it felt like i was watching cold war propaganta, not all the time, but still i just got a weird vibe from it and from what i've heard black ops seems to be more of the same. Of course the right thing to do would be to wait until it comes out and give it a chance, but personally i won't be playing it, modern warefare 2 just left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Godavari]

Reson #1 not to buy it: I hate CoD.

 

[Miumaru]

1. Activision just publishes it. They arent making it.
2. It wont matter until it happens. When and if, just dont subscribe, and they will learn.
3. No it doesn't. YOu dont really care about what money the workers get. Not truly.
4. Dont play a shooter. Its the same. Its supposed to be. I like genres cause of sameness. Gamers like same even if they wont admit it. (Sonic is a great example of this)
5. True...
6. also true...
7. What price is that? 60$? Its same as most games.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Reasons TO Buy it:

1. It might actually be good. (!)


Reasons Not To Judge Until it Comes Out:

1. Because you've never PLAYED it. You don't know that it will be more of the same or worse, or better. Personally, I think Treyarch is underrated because people compare it to Infinity Ward. Which is odd, because the same people HATE Infinity Ward.

fanboy.

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You are kidding, right?

 

[FightThePower]

2. Buying it will support their idea to make a subscription plan for COD

Err...isn't happening. Activision have NO plans to introduce subscription fees for online multiplayer. [http://callofdutyblackops.org/call-of-duty-multiplayer-always-free]

Other reasons are fair enough, but I think Black Ops will be more different than the other CoD games.