Recycling does not save energy

[Agema]

NO NO NO! Glass is not liquid. It's solid (below it's melting point, naturally). It took me five seconds to prove you wrong. That's less time that it's taking me to type this post. When wiki-fucking-pedia disproves you, you really need to check your facts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass#Behavior_of_antique_glass)

Admittedly glass does do weird things around it's melting point, which can be about room temperature, but for all intents and purposes: SOLID. And the flowing windows thing is just wrong.

Glass is solid, but in ways not a solid. The first is a general use adjective to define something that is rigid and hard to deform. The second classification is determined by certain laws of chemistry, and in that sense glass is indeed somewhere between a solid and a liquid.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Beaver damns exist in nature? Show me how many beaver dams have naturally occured WITHOUT intervention from a living orgasm forming one as a home.

Occurring without the influence of a living organism is not a qualification for something to be natural. And if you are going to argue against that ( which you are), you've just invalidated your argument that synthetic elements are natural because they were made by humans with natural things.

Either way, you lose.

Either you have to admit in the end that Any item or structure, or terraform made to nature by an organic being is natural, OR you will have to admit that honey, bird nests, and ESPECIALLY beaver damns are not "Natural" (And in the case of the beaver damn, considered destructive to the natural flow of things, as this would render beavers public enemy #2 when it comes to "Unnatural destruction" of nature)

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Beaver damns exist in nature? Show me how many beaver dams have naturally occured WITHOUT intervention from a living orgasm forming one as a home.

Occurring without the influence of a living organism is not a qualification for something to be natural. And if you are going to argue against that ( which you are), you've just invalidated your argument that synthetic elements are natural because they were made by humans with natural things.

Either way, you lose.

Either you have to admit in the end that Any item or structure, or terraform made to nature by an organic being is natural, OR you will have to admit that honey, bird nests, and ESPECIALLY beaver damns are not "Natural" (And in the case of the beaver damn, considered destructive to the natural flow of things, as this would render beavers public enemy #2 when it comes to "Unnatural destruction" of nature)

You've argued them both. I basically don't have to say anything at the point because you've defeated yourself.

If you argue say that anything made by a living organism is not natural, you've just invalidated your argument that synthetic elements are natural.

If you argue that anything made by a living organism is natural, you've just invalidated your argument that beaver dams are not natural.

Good day, sir.

lol again you twist about my argument to fit your own views ^.^

I am saying, ethier you have to call ALL organic made by products and structures (Beaver dams, honey, our houses, nuclear reactors) unnatural. Or you have to accept they are all natural. To many people look and say "This is man made! It is not natural!" but then turn around and point to a beaver dam, a artificial structure made in order to house a beaver that has some severe effects on water flows and therefore the enviroment around it, and claim it is Natural. My original point is, going by that view, EVERYTHING is natural as we are natural beings, therefore we cannot make things "Unnatural" for what we make is a trait of our species. Synthetic molecules and atoms are not "Unnatural" if they weren't, we couldn't manipulate them with tools made from materials found from the earth and refined through the use of other tools made from the earth or past refinements of earthen materials to become such a thing. All we are doing in the end is an advanced version of manipulating the world and resources around us to do such things, that atom that is "Synthetic" is still considered part of nature in the end because all we as natural beings do is use things and process' found in nature in an advanced manner to create such a thing. To claim that Atom is not of nature because we used advanced tools to change it, once again, is claiming that a beaver dam is not natural because such a thing doesn't naturally form without intervention of some form of living being. So what it comes down too is, you either have to admit that everything humans make in the long run is natural because we are creatures of nature. Or you have to go ahead and point out that everything from deer tracks, to honey, to a beavers dam are not at all natural.