Report: Zelda: Twilight Princess HD Will Have "Amiibo Exclusive" New Dungeon

[ShakerSilver]

Disc-locked content is awful, regardless of whether or not the paywall is in the form of a plastic toy. Nintendo always seems to be 2 steps behind other game companies in terms of business practices and their recent discovery of walling-off extra content behind paywalls makes this seem true. I sincerely hope there's a good amount of pushback against this.

 

[RealRT]

Nintendo fans never get angry (except at Sony and Microsoft), they get creative with excuses as to why whatever bullshit Nintendo pulls is actually them setting a new, positive trend. That or it's the evil third-party Illuminati.

Yeah, I guess you're right, but I'll be optimistic and say that they will get committed to their local insane asylum one way or another.

 

[sonicneedslovetoo]

Hardcore Nintendo fans never get angry (except at Sony and Microsoft), they get creative with excuses as to why whatever bullshit Nintendo pulls is actually them setting a new, positive trend. That or it's the evil third-party Illuminati.

This, I really, REALLY wish this wasn't as true as it is. In other places people are making bullshit excuses for this Amiibo saying it'll give value to Amiibos or how it just feels empty giving kids download codes for earthbound(no really that's an example they used). I wish I was using a straw man there.

 

[Poetic Nova]

*sigh*

I wonder how many will defend this practise. More than enough reasons to stick to its GC release.

Edit:
This sums up my reaction:

 

[EyeReaper]

Create limited DLC in the shape of a cute toy and people won't hate you for it, cuz look, a cute toy.

Nintendo truly is the only company that's still all about games... and bullshit DLC. And worse yet, people are celebrating this practice, showing off their dumb amiibo collections.

I really don't get the amiibo hate. Maybe it's because I see them as figurines first and Dlc second. I mean, hell, I've spent three times as much for figures about the same size that didn't unlock any bonus content for Persona.

Besides that, The amiibo were always on-disc dlc from day one. from stupid costumes in Mario Kart to better(?) AI controlled enemies in Smash bros. It's nothing new. Doesn't excuse it, sure, and I can see why some people are a bit miffed, but it's not like it's a shocking swerve no one saw coming. Wolf Link would've had to do something to the game.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Create limited DLC in the shape of a cute toy and people won't hate you for it, cuz look, a cute toy.

Nintendo truly is the only company that's still all about games... and bullshit DLC. And worse yet, people are celebrating this practice, showing off their dumb amiibo collections.

I really don't get the amiibo hate. Maybe it's because I see them as figurines first and Dlc second. I mean, hell, I've spent three times as much for figures about the same size that didn't unlock any bonus content for Persona.

Besides that, The amiibo were always on-disc dlc from day one. from stupid costumes in Mario Kart to better(?) AI controlled enemies in Smash bros. It's nothing new. Doesn't excuse it, sure, and I can see why some people are a bit miffed, but it's not like it's a shocking swerve no one saw coming. Wolf Link would've had to do something to the game.

People want their plastic figurines... Fine. The DLC can be seen as a nice bonus in physical form. But don't gate it off from everyone else who can't get a hold of one. Just allow people to download it, however insignificant it may be. If it is just all about the figurines, what's the harm in putting that same DLC on sale in the eShop?

And no matter how unsurprising this particular amiibo DLC may be, it doesn't deserve any less ire.

 

[Roboshi]

I wonder how many of those thing will they produce? 10?
Must be awesome to have content gated behind that.

Have you walked into a shop recently? I can only talk for the UK, but we're not hurting for Amiibo anymore.

Honestly, Nintendo cannot win when it comes to amiibo, they unlock a minor cosmetic change and people complain that they're useless, they unlock a extra mission and people complain that it's sticking content behind a paywall. And the Smash Bros method of using Amiibo is not gonna work with every title.

And as for saying Nintendo has been all about Bullshit DLC, have you seen todays splatoon article? Free DLC coming to a close after about 6 months of constant support. Hyrule Warriors having a mix of fairly priced DLC and Free updates.

 

[Roboshi]

People want their plastic figurines... Fine. The DLC can be seen as a nice bonus in physical form. But don't gate it off from everyone else who can't get a hold of one. Just allow people to download it, however insignificant it may be. If it is just all about the figurines, what's the harm in putting that same DLC on sale in the eShop?

And no matter how unsurprising this particular amiibo DLC may be, it doesn't deserve any less ire.

This is why I'd say it's too early to be getting angry, we don't know IF the content will be available separately or not.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Create limited DLC in the shape of a cute toy and people won't hate you for it, cuz look, a cute toy.

Nintendo truly is the only company that's still all about games... and bullshit DLC. And worse yet, people are celebrating this practice, showing off their dumb amiibo collections.

Can you really blame Nintendo for following what is now the market standard?

People bought many of the DLC Nintendo sells in the droves heck people wanted Nintendo for better online services. Skylanders and Disney Infinity created an entire new market.

So either we suck it up and accept it or not.

Remember the time where Nintendo said "People do not want to play Online Games" That was said from the late Saturo Iwata.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

Create limited DLC in the shape of a cute toy and people won't hate you for it, cuz look, a cute toy.

Nintendo truly is the only company that's still all about games... and bullshit DLC. And worse yet, people are celebrating this practice, showing off their dumb amiibo collections.

I really don't get the amiibo hate. Maybe it's because I see them as figurines first and Dlc second. I mean, hell, I've spent three times as much for figures about the same size that didn't unlock any bonus content for Persona.

Besides that, The amiibo were always on-disc dlc from day one. from stupid costumes in Mario Kart to better(?) AI controlled enemies in Smash bros. It's nothing new. Doesn't excuse it, sure, and I can see why some people are a bit miffed, but it's not like it's a shocking swerve no one saw coming. Wolf Link would've had to do something to the game.

People want their plastic figurines... Fine. The DLC can be seen as a nice bonus in physical form. But don't gate it off from everyone else who can't get a hold of one. Just allow people to download it, however insignificant it may be. If it is just all about the figurines, what's the harm in putting that same DLC on sale in the eShop?

And no matter how unsurprising this particular amiibo DLC may be, it doesn't deserve any less ire.

Nintendo did say once that every Amiibo will get a "card" version that you can get for much cheaper.
I wonder what's happening with that. Never heard anything about that.

That being said
OT:
Wouldn't "Rumor" be more fitting than "report" in the title? After all, that's just based on the French Amazon and it's not the first time they listed something wrong. Until Nintendo confirms it and/or more places have it listed, I will see this as nothing but a baseless rumor. After all, Iwata did say they would never make Zelda dungeons as DLC. Every Zelda would be sold as a finished game with no new dungeons added to it ever. So this kinda seems to go against that.

 

[MetalDooley]

If this does turn out to be true then I have to say it won't bother me at all.It's not as if they're locking off previously existing content and given how minor most of the amiibo content has been anyway it'll probably be something small.I can't see them locking off an entire dungeon

 

[xaszatm]

*sigh*

I wonder how many will defend this practise. More than enough reasons to stick to its GC release.

I don't have to defend it. ITS A BLOODY RUMOR LIKE HALF OF EVERY NEGATIVE NINTENDO ARITCLE THESE DAYS. This appeared in a description in Amazon France along with other information, then the part that said Amiibo dungeon was removed but everything else was kept. And before that it was first announced by a extreme Nintendo hater on Neogaf who then dedicated half of his OP to how much Nintendo was the devil. If this is true, then, yes, it's really stupid. But like so many other things, its currently unprovable so why do I have to defend it?

I also do like how THIS was news and not the Pokemon 20th anniversary stuff, not the fact that Nintendo is branching into movies and anime, not the fact that we got a clearly idea at what Nintendo is doing this year from the new president but a bloody rumor that is from an unreliable source that was removed.

 

[Hairless Mammoth]

Hardcore Nintendo fans never get angry (except at Sony and Microsoft), they get creative with excuses as to why whatever bullshit Nintendo pulls is actually them setting a new, positive trend. That or it's the evil third-party Illuminati.

You sure got that right. I was reading the comments on a Nintendo-centric site and anyone who complained about this (even if they acknowledged that it is still a rumor and posted rational thoughts) received tons of replies with excuses.

"It gives you a reason to buy the Amiibo." "That's why there's a bundle" "Nintendo is rewarding you for buying the Amiibo." It kinda reminds me of the small group that wanted Microsoft to keep its demonic DRM for the Xbox. Yeah, send them the message they can do whatever they want. That sure helps us out./s

Nintendo did say once that every Amiibo will get a "card" version that you can get for much cheaper.
I wonder what's happening with that. Never heard anything about that.

That being said
OT:
Wouldn't "Rumor" be more fitting than "report" in the title? After all, that's just based on the French Amazon and it's not the first time they listed something wrong. Until Nintendo confirms it and/or more places have it listed, I will see this as nothing but a baseless rumor. After all, Iwata did say they would never make Zelda dungeons as DLC. Every Zelda would be sold as a finished game with no new dungeons added to it ever. So this kinda seems to go against that.

I'm still waiting for news on those cards. They sure would mitigate this (rumored) issue somewhat, and people without the space or money for tons of figures would appreciate the smaller, thinner cards. But, I have this feeling Nintendo may have dropped the idea for cards for anything other than small items, such as in that new Animal Crossing game.

I generally have faith that the Zelda teams won't ever make a major dungeon as a DLC option. This rumor itself seems pretty sketchy.

Although, I'm become skeptical of any promises from industry leaders. The are quite a few times in recent years where they've turned around and done the opposite, whether just for greed or out of necessity.

 

[JimB]

Can you really blame Nintendo for following what is now the market standard?

Yup. If all your friends jumped off a bridge, I could still blame you for following the trend.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Can you really blame Nintendo for following what is now the market standard?

Yup. If all your friends jumped off a bridge, I could still blame you for following the trend.

People have been asking of Nintendo to get into online gaming and people buy all these Amiibos in the 100s. And look at the success of Splatoon.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Create limited DLC in the shape of a cute toy and people won't hate you for it, cuz look, a cute toy.

Nintendo truly is the only company that's still all about games... and bullshit DLC. And worse yet, people are celebrating this practice, showing off their dumb amiibo collections.

Can you really blame Nintendo for following what is now the market standard?

Of course you can. That's like asking if you can blame anybody for anything, because other people. Don't pretend like they have no agency over what they do and they don't do. Or that all the good stuff is on them, and all the shit is somebody else's fault.

 

[JimB]

Can you really blame Nintendo for following what is now the market standard?

Yup. If all your friends jumped off a bridge, I could still blame you for following the trend.

People have been asking of Nintendo to get into online gaming and people buy all these Amiibos in the 100s. And look at the success of Splatoon.

I don't care. Nothing about the people around you being stupid robs you of your inherent self-determination. You are responsible for the things you choose to do; and to the degree that we can pretend Nintendo is a singular entity, so is Nintendo responsible for its choices.

 

[Foolery]

While not quite on the same level, does anyone else remember 4 sword dungeon from the GBA port of A Link to the Past? I never got to play it, as I had no friends with GBAs and copies of the game, nor was I going to pick a second system and copy to unlock it. Nintendo's been going full-on stupid for awhile now. Pokken Tournament just got announced being 30fps (which is not optimal for fighters) unless you system-link it with another Wii U to make it 60.

 

[Hairless Mammoth]

While not quite on the same level, does anyone else remember 4 sword dungeon from the GBA port of A Link to the Past? I never got to play it, as I had no friends with GBAs and copies of the game, nor was I going to pick a second system and copy to unlock it. Nintendo's been going full-on stupid for awhile now. Pokken Tournament just got announced being 30fps (which is not optimal for fighters) unless you system-link it with another Wii U to make it 60.

Yep, some of their experimenting and innovations should have been changed or a work around added when they left handheld-loving Japan for markets with weaker handheld presence. Same thing for some of their other practices that really only work well in their home country (and maybe a handful of others).

I remember Four Swords (existing. I couldn't play it either for the same reason). I also remember Four Swords Adventure for the Gamecube, which I could not play with my Zelda loving friends either since, again, they didn't have a GBA and the (pricey for what is is) link cable. It even rubbed off on Square as well, with Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles. At least you could solo those two titles with a GC controller, though. The earlier Pokemon versions could be a considered an example as well for some rural players, but it was so blindingly popular that city kids probably didn't have an issue finding a fellow trainer.


To be fair the the local multiplayer in Pokken Tournament, I think many multiplayer Wii U games cut the frame rate or graphical detail when the gamepad is used as a second screen. They were at least kind enough to offer LAN linking, in this new age where PSN/Xbox Live connections are required for "LAN" games.

But I agree, they have been doing a lot of stupid stuff. I'd say as far back as during the N64's development.

 

[EyeReaper]

Create limited DLC in the shape of a cute toy and people won't hate you for it, cuz look, a cute toy.

Nintendo truly is the only company that's still all about games... and bullshit DLC. And worse yet, people are celebrating this practice, showing off their dumb amiibo collections.

I really don't get the amiibo hate. Maybe it's because I see them as figurines first and Dlc second. I mean, hell, I've spent three times as much for figures about the same size that didn't unlock any bonus content for Persona.

Besides that, The amiibo were always on-disc dlc from day one. from stupid costumes in Mario Kart to better(?) AI controlled enemies in Smash bros. It's nothing new. Doesn't excuse it, sure, and I can see why some people are a bit miffed, but it's not like it's a shocking swerve no one saw coming. Wolf Link would've had to do something to the game.

People want their plastic figurines... Fine. The DLC can be seen as a nice bonus in physical form. But don't gate it off from everyone else who can't get a hold of one. Just allow people to download it, however insignificant it may be. If it is just all about the figurines, what's the harm in putting that same DLC on sale in the eShop?

And no matter how unsurprising this particular amiibo DLC may be, it doesn't deserve any less ire.

I don't think it'll be too hard to get a hold of one. Physical copies of the game come shipped with one, and every other time a game came with a packaged amiibo, they released it separately as a single fig. later down the line.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, however. They really should have the option of unlocking the content some other way. Was hoping they'd catch on after Mario Maker did it perfectly.

But, needing only one amiibo to unlock all the bonus content? Helluva lot better than the Skylander model, where you've usually needed around eight, sometimes more, sometimes less (generally priced more than amiibos, too) to get the full experience of the game, along with charging extra for the accessory to use your figures in game(which is also mandatory) Not saying that gets Ninty off the hook, but they're definitely the lesser money grub.